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  • Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

    I understand that the cap is in place so that smaller market teams can compete with bigger markets, and also to protect themselves from going to crazy on spending their own money.

    But it's also talent redistribution and I'm sick of it. Teams like the Giants, Steelers, GB, and NE who build through the draft have to lose out on their own talented guys (MM, BJ) to teams that haven't necessarily managed their cap well, but rather can't draft well.

    The 'skins, Jets, 'boys, Eagles -- these teams draft like crap and have cap space because they let their own crappy players walk. When do these teams ever lose out on one of their own good or solid players because of cap reasons? They have maybe a handful of players that other teams would actually spend money on.

    Other teams could have drafted Nicks, but chose Heward-Bay and Crabtree. They don't have to worry too much about clearing cap space for that crap. Nor do any of the 15 teams that passed on JPP (like the Eagle trading up to take Ben Graham ahead of JPP) have to worry about clearing cap space because of their own stupid mistake of not drafting the guy to begin with.

    Get rid of the cap or tweak it somehow because it's crap. Sorry if this is sour grapes, but I am upset that BJ is gone and that we're going to have a tough few years clearing space to keep JPP, Cruz, and Nicks.

  • #2
    Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

    I like it.

    Much fairer than baseball.

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    • #3
      Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

      liberalism at its finest.

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      • #4
        Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

        [quote user="Axels15"]I like it.

        Much fairer than baseball.[/quote]
        I want the smaller teams to be competitive in terms of retaining their own talent, but when the heck do they ever draft well? That's my point.

        The Jags are crap, 'phins aren't very good (Miami's not exactly small market either), Panthers stink except for their QB.

        Most other teams don't seem to have to worry about losing their own productive players because they never draft enough of them to begin with. That's my point.

        It's not like the Giants are the Yankees who sign every other teams stars. Just sucks that we can't keep our own players because we have a lot of talent, while other teams can't draft for crap.

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        • #5
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          [quote user="Spizi"]liberalism at its finest.[/quote]
          Ha! +1. I consider myself a capitalist, but the NFL has done a great job of making itself the # 1 sport in the US and the cap has done a good job in at least giving smaller markets a chance to compete.

          But my point is that plenty of other teams suck the blood of the Giants, Steelers, GB, and NE because they can't draft worth crap. What stud have the Jets, Eagles, 'skins, or Cowboys ever lost over the past 10 years? Meanwhile, we've got a plethera of talent (JPP, Nicks, and Cruz) who we are going to have to get so damn creative in our cap for in order to keep.

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          • #6
            Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

            [quote user="Axels15"]I like it.

            Much fairer than baseball.[/quote]
            Baseball does not even have a hard cap -- all you do is pay more money if you go over. Yeah, it is better than baseball's, but my point is losing our own talent teams of losers who can't develop their own. It just sucks.

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            • #7
              Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

              The cap is a big part of that #1 sport in America. Baseball is going to hell and basketball needs a francise tag.

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              • #8
                Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                I like it. Without a cap the Cowboys would win every year.

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                • #9
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                  [quote user="PRFan"]The cap is a big part of that #1 sport in America. Baseball is going to hell and basketball needs a francise tag.[/quote]
                  I recognize that, but I also believe that it's a talent cap as much as salary cap.

                  There seem to be a whhhooooolllleee bunch of teams that never seem to have salary cap issues because they open the door to their stables of crappy players that they've drafted and loot someone else's players to try to make up for the empty spot that was their original mistake.

                  I'm just ranting because we lost BJ and we're going to be through cap contortionist tricks in order to keep our own guys.

                  Osi will probably be gone next year to a team that never thinks to draft DEs, doesn't scout well enough, or doesn't know how to develop them.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                    [quote user="Flip Empty"]I like it. Without a cap the Cowboys would win every year.[/quote]
                    That organization just sucks.

                    For his own good Jerry is lucky that a cap is in place, otherwise he'd be the Wilpons of the NFL -- spending boat loads of money on crappy talent trying to make up for the fact that you never develop any of your own.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                      [quote user="JJC7301"][quote user="PRFan"]The cap is a big part of that #1 sport in America. Baseball is going to hell and basketball needs a francise tag.[/quote]
                      I recognize that, but I also believe that it's a talent cap as much as salary cap.

                      There seem to be a whhhooooolllleee bunch of teams that never seem to have salary cap issues because they open the door to their stables of crappy players that they've drafted and loot someone else's players to try to make up for the empty spot that was their original mistake.

                      I'm just ranting because we lost BJ and we're going to be through cap contortionist tricks in order to keep our own guys.

                      Osi will probably be gone next year to a team that never thinks to draft DEs, doesn't scout well enough, or doesn't know how to develop them.[/quote]
                      Cap-less leagues are farcical. They're about who had the richest owner rather than who drafts the best talent. In that world you'd have loaded teams poaching good players rather than the opposite. Not good.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                        well they have a system in place for what ur talking about which u raise a great point.

                        the RFA tag...meaning if other teams somehow sign a JPP/Nicks/Cruz we will almost assuredly get their 1rst round pick. So for a team like us who drafts amazingly, we'll just have to restart the process.

                        The only thing about it is the UFA like MM where we will just get a compensation pick, but for MM it could be as high as a 3rd round pick, which is the round we drafted him in.

                        I am unsure the rules for issuing tenders, like was Wallace from Pitt always tendered a RFA worth a 1rst or was Pitt able to apply that at any given time? If theirs improvement to be made, it shouldn't be the cap being removed, it should be when teams like us constantly develop the talent other teams go crazy for, we should be able to tender them RFA worth a 1rst and for cases where we'd have two guys we developed who are all-pro caliber, it shouldn't deter it from granting us 2 first round tenders we get in addition to our own 1rst round pick...get what I'm saying?

                        but so far I think that system in place with comp. picks and tendered RFA is about a good a way to level the cap issue as any sport has...

                        edit- i am unsure the rules about tenders and RFA and UFA, but that could be the potential answer to this issue. teams should be able to tender their star players whom the cap will prevent from signing so that way the team doesn't get penalized for drafting amazingly and developing players just as well.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                          [quote user="JJC7301"][quote user="Spizi"]liberalism at its finest.[/quote]
                          Ha! +1. I consider myself a capitalist, but the NFL has done a great job of making itself the # 1 sport in the US and the cap has done a good job in at least giving smaller markets a chance to compete.

                          But my point is that plenty of other teams suck the blood of the Giants, Steelers, GB, and NE because they can't draft worth crap. What stud have the Jets, Eagles, 'skins, or Cowboys ever lost over the past 10 years? Meanwhile, we've got a plethera of talent (JPP, Nicks, and Cruz) who we are going to have to get so damn creative in our cap for in order to keep.[/quote]

                          And we've won two superbowls in that span...

                          The salary cap does exactly as intended and it's what makes football exciting and interesting EVERY year.

                          Stick the political non-sense. This is a football forum...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                            [quote user="giantsfan420"]well they have a system in place for what ur talking about which u raise a great point.

                            the RFA tag...meaning if other teams somehow sign a JPP/Nicks/Cruz we will almost assuredly get their 1rst round pick. So for a team like us who drafts amazingly, we'll just have to restart the process.

                            The only thing about it is the UFA like MM where we will just get a compensation pick, but for MM it could be as high as a 3rd round pick, which is the round we drafted him in.

                            I am unsure the rules for issuing tenders, like was Wallace from Pitt always tendered a RFA worth a 1rst or was Pitt able to apply that at any given time? If theirs improvement to be made, it shouldn't be the cap being removed, it should be when teams like us constantly develop the talent other teams go crazy for, we should be able to tender them RFA worth a 1rst and for cases where we'd have two guys we developed who are all-pro caliber, it shouldn't deter it from granting us 2 first round tenders we get in addition to our own 1rst round pick...get what I'm saying?

                            but so far I think that system in place with comp. picks and tendered RFA is about a good a way to level the cap issue as any sport has...

                            edit- i am unsure the rules about tenders and RFA and UFA, but that could be the potential answer to this issue. teams should be able to tender their star players whom the cap will prevent from signing so that way the team doesn't get penalized for drafting amazingly and developing players just as well.[/quote]

                            The OP makes a very good point. My take is the situation is brought about more by the intersection of the cap with free agency than the cap in and of itself. If the goal of parity were extended to players, that would eliminate the whole debate of players wanting to be paid what they think they are worth and therefore go to the highest bidding teams. It would also eliminate the need for a cap- problem solved. On the other hand, what would that do to the quality of play in the NFL at large if players are looking at standard salaries by position? It would be the demise of the sport that we know and love imo.

                            giantsfan, I was also wondering about the impact of expansion of the use of tags as well, and the UFA tag in particular. At least this would provide a mechanism for players who would not be inclined to allow the Giants to match another team's offer before it is finalized rather than relying on good faith alone which was the cause for angst in the Steve Smith situation.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Salary cap is talent redistribution -- it's BS and I'm sick of it

                              I guess there is the idea of salary cap exemptions, for players drafted by their respective teams, but I don't see that in the works any time soon..

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