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  • Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

    Here's my breakdown for our defense going into the 2012 Draft and season.

    DT: Linval Joseph (2014), Chris Canty (2015), Marvin Austin (2015), and Dwayne Hendricks (2013 - RFA). With Austin being a huge question mark and Chris Canty's cap hit going north of $8 mil in the near future, as well as the DLine being the bread-n-butter of the Giants, this position looks to be a hot topic going into the draft. Priority: High

    DE: Justin Tuck (2014), Jason Pierre Paul (2015), Osi Umenyiora (2013), Craig Marshall (2013 - RFA), and Justin Trattou (2013 - RFA). While DE is the #1 position on the Giants, we have 3 elite pass rushers going into 2012 (Osi, Tuck and JPP) and coverage the year after for losing Osi (if we don't extend him) in Kiwi and even Adrian Tracey (who is listed as a LB on the Giants roster but is being groomed as a DE). Priority: Moderate - Low (moderate because its always on our mind).

    LB: Michael Boley (2014), Zak Deossie (2013), Mark Herzlich (2015), Greg Jones (2015), Mathias Kiwanuka (2013), Spencer Paysinger (2015), Clint Sintim (2013), Adrian Tracey (2013), Jacquian Williams (2015). While not the LBer corps of the 80s we have lots of bodies and depth at the various LBer positions with our starting corps looking like Kiwi, Boley, JWill. Priority: Low

    DB: Antrel Rolle (2015), Kenny Phillips (2013), and Chris Horton (2013). With little depth, the Safety spot becomes a slightly higher priority, Especially if Phillips walks next year. Interestingly, T2 is listed as a DB, not a CB on the Giants roster currently. Priority: Moderate - High

    CB: Corey Webster (2014), Prince Amakumara (2015), Terrel Thomas (2016). and Brandon Bing (2013 - RFA). With 3 legitimate starting CBs locked up for the next couple of years, this is not a position of immediate need. However look for T2 to slide over to Safety and/or the nickle CB leaving some room for depth here; Priority: Moderate - Low

    Summary: DT is the top priority moving forward with DB coming in a distant second (I think we re-sign KP next year).

    Prediction: Defying those who want Stephen Hill or Doug Martin or Coby Fleener, the Giants pick either Jerel Worthy, Devon Still or Kendal Reyes ... whichever DT falls to them in the first round. Look to George Iloka in the 2nd or Brandon Thompson in the 4th for DB help and a possible squeaker pick of Coryell Judie in the 4th or 5th (should he slip). DE will be a project player such as Donte Paige-Moss or Jack Crawford in the later rounds and we stand pat on LBers this year.
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    Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

    Another great read my dude!!!

    DT- I def agree, we havent had Austin play a game in 2yrs and we only have Canty and Linval to really step up and hold it down

    DE- While we do have JPP, Osi, and Tuck next year we dont know what Osi is gonna do and Tucks injury history keeps me uneasy, I just dont trust his health for a full season anymore. That being said I can see us going DE in the 1st 3rounds. We like staying stocked with pass rushing DE's and with pass rushing beasts like Whitney Marcellus and Vinny Curry out there those guys have Giants written all over them

    LB- Agree, I think we're good with what we got at LB. Kiwi is coming into his own at SAM, Boley is one of the best WILL's in the NFL, JQ Williams has proved that he can do it up and play with the best of them ya gotta love his speed, and Herzlich before his injury made us quickly forget about Goff he was a step slow but that football IQ is 100% there

    S- I think its a position of need, but this years safety class is 'meh' at best, I dont know if Ive been spoiled with the recent safety classes but this years class doesnt do it for me. If anything I could see us taking a big CB and using him like we did with Rolle last season as a Nickel/Safety hybrid

    CB- I feel like coverage guys are the new pass rushers in terms that you cant have enough of em on your team. We do have Webby and Prince, but T2 is coming off ANOTHER knee injury and id love if he picked up where he left off but Im not 100% sold on him yet

    I see us looking at a DT, DE, and a big, physical CB (to convert to safety) in the draft
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    • #3
      Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

      Check out George Iloka. He started as a CB and transformed into a Safety. 6'4 and a wingspan like a condor.

      That's our second round pick imo.
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      • #4
        Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

        Tyler Sash is on the team.

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        • #5
          Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

          Couldnt disagree with most of this any more than I do.

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          • #6
            Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

            [quote user="lawl"]Tyler Sash is on the team.[/quote]

            and chad jones. Could have either no depth, or could be a pretty deep position depending on those two.

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            • #7
              Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

              [quote user="Kruunch"]Check out George Iloka. He started as a CB and transformed into a Safety. 6'4 and a wingspan like a condor.

              That's our second round pick imo.[/quote]

              He wasent a CB. He was a safety his first four years at boise state, but the last 2 games he had to play CB due to injuries.

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              • #8
                Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                [quote user="Kruunch"]Here's my breakdown for our defense going into the 2012 Draft and season.

                DT: Linval Joseph (2014), Chris Canty (2015), Marvin Austin (2015), and Dwayne Hendricks (2013 - RFA). With Austin being a huge question mark and Chris Canty's cap hit going north of $8 mil in the near future, as well as the DLine being the bread-n-butter of the Giants, this position looks to be a hot topic going into the draft. Priority: High

                DE: Justin Tuck (2014), Jason Pierre Paul (2015), Osi Umenyiora (2013), Craig Marshall (2013 - RFA), and Justin Trattou (2013 - RFA). While DE is the #1 position on the Giants, we have 3 elite pass rushers going into 2012 (Osi, Tuck and JPP) and coverage the year after for losing Osi (if we don't extend him) in Kiwi and even Adrian Tracey (who is listed as a LB on the Giants roster but is being groomed as a DE). Priority: Moderate - Low (moderate because its always on our mind).

                LB: Michael Boley (2014), Zak Deossie (2013), Mark Herzlich (2015), Greg Jones (2015), Mathias Kiwanuka (2013), Spencer Paysinger (2015), Clint Sintim (2013), Adrian Tracey (2013), Jacquian Williams (2015). While not the LBer corps of the 80s we have lots of bodies and depth at the various LBer positions with our starting corps looking like Kiwi, Boley, JWill. Priority: Low

                DB: Antrel Rolle (2015), Kenny Phillips (2013), and Chris Horton (2013). With little depth, the Safety spot becomes a slightly higher priority, Especially if Phillips walks next year. Interestingly, T2 is listed as a DB, not a CB on the Giants roster currently. Priority: Moderate - High

                CB: Corey Webster (2014), Prince Amakumara (2015), Terrel Thomas (2016). and Brandon Bing (2013 - RFA). With 3 legitimate starting CBs locked up for the next couple of years, this is not a position of immediate need. However look for T2 to slide over to Safety and/or the nickle CB leaving some room for depth here; Priority: Moderate - Low

                Summary: DT is the top priority moving forward with DB coming in a distant second (I think we re-sign KP next year).

                Prediction: Defying those who want Stephen Hill or Doug Martin or Coby Fleener, the Giants pick either Jerel Worthy, Devon Still or Kendal Reyes ... whichever DT falls to them in the first round. Look to George Iloka in the 2nd or Brandon Thompson in the 4th for DB help and a possible squeaker pick of Coryell Judie in the 4th or 5th (should he slip). DE will be a project player such as Donte Paige-Moss or Jack Crawford in the later rounds and we stand pat on LBers this year.[/quote]I think Reyes is a darkhorse selection that isnt mentioned by the draftniks much to the Giants. He has many Giant qualities. I think your discounting WR. I think the Giants need another weapon in the passing game. Another guy on the outside to me is a big need. Coby Fleener probably goes before the Giants pick.
                I think safety and DT are positions competition is needed . Canty and Rolle have big contracts and Phillips is a FA next season




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                • #9
                  Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                  You forgot Michael Coe and Justin Tryon.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                    [quote user="Kruunch"]Here's my breakdown for our defense going into the 2012 Draft and season.

                    DT: Linval Joseph (2014), Chris Canty (2015), Marvin Austin (2015), and Dwayne Hendricks (2013 - RFA). With Austin being a huge question mark and Chris Canty's cap hit going north of $8 mil in the near future, as well as the DLine being the bread-n-butter of the Giants, this position looks to be a hot topic going into the draft. Priority: High

                    DE: Justin Tuck (2014), Jason Pierre Paul (2015), Osi Umenyiora (2013), Craig Marshall (2013 - RFA), and Justin Trattou (2013 - RFA). While DE is the #1 position on the Giants, we have 3 elite pass rushers going into 2012 (Osi, Tuck and JPP) and coverage the year after for losing Osi (if we don't extend him) in Kiwi and even Adrian Tracey (who is listed as a LB on the Giants roster but is being groomed as a DE). Priority: Moderate - Low (moderate because its always on our mind).

                    LB: Michael Boley (2014), Zak Deossie (2013), Mark Herzlich (2015), Greg Jones (2015), Mathias Kiwanuka (2013), Spencer Paysinger (2015), Clint Sintim (2013), Adrian Tracey (2013), Jacquian Williams (2015). While not the LBer corps of the 80s we have lots of bodies and depth at the various LBer positions with our starting corps looking like Kiwi, Boley, JWill. Priority: Low

                    DB: Antrel Rolle (2015), Kenny Phillips (2013), and Chris Horton (2013). With little depth, the Safety spot becomes a slightly higher priority, Especially if Phillips walks next year. Interestingly, T2 is listed as a DB, not a CB on the Giants roster currently. Priority: Moderate - High

                    CB: Corey Webster (2014), Prince Amakumara (2015), Terrel Thomas (2016). and Brandon Bing (2013 - RFA). With 3 legitimate starting CBs locked up for the next couple of years, this is not a position of immediate need. However look for T2 to slide over to Safety and/or the nickle CB leaving some room for depth here; Priority: Moderate - Low

                    Summary: DT is the top priority moving forward with DB coming in a distant second (I think we re-sign KP next year).

                    Prediction: Defying those who want Stephen Hill or Doug Martin or Coby Fleener, the Giants pick either Jerel Worthy, Devon Still or Kendal Reyes ... whichever DT falls to them in the first round. Look to George Iloka in the 2nd or Brandon Thompson in the 4th for DB help and a possible squeaker pick of Coryell Judie in the 4th or 5th (should he slip). DE will be a project player such as Donte Paige-Moss or Jack Crawford in the later rounds and we stand pat on LBers this year.[/quote]
                    I agree with you 100% about DT and DB. Like your assessments.

                    Although I'd love to have Cordy Glenn on the OL, he won't fall to us. I'd love to have Still or Reyes on the DL or even Barron at S, but he won't fall either. I think of the 4 players I just mentioned, Reyes is the only one likely to be there at # 32.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                      Krunch - I like your assessment and having seen previous posts its clear you know big blue - which makes me wonder why you discount Reese's drafting style.

                      1-2 - BPA - find superstar regardless of position.
                      3-5 - More need
                      5-7 - back to intangibles and raw athletes.

                      This is in fact the reason why I don't know why anyone would mock a giants draft unless its based on talent alone.

                      I would agree with your needs - although I would say while LB has some young bodies mixed with vets there is still a need for an impact player - although i realize they have had 2 superbowl runs without a real Impact LB (boley and pierce are nice players) that doesn't mean they wont or cant find a stud here. I do believe they have potential strong players in j will and herzlich.

                      Also as previously mentione Sash, Tryon, Coe, Witherspoon were left out of depth in secondary. And why are you discounting offense? Or can we see your offensive analysis?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                        I dunno I see a lot of holes in your logic, mostly because you left out players from your positional evaluations.



                        You say Adrian Tracy is being groomed mainly as a DE. That's not true at all. He is a LB on this team and has been since day 1.



                        You leave out Tyler Sash from your safety evaluation, a guy the coaches
                        were very high on last year. You also left out Chad Jones, and although
                        this isnt as big an offense as Sash, it is still an omission.



                        You say the starting Lbs will be Boley, Kiwi, and Jwill. The problem is, not a 1 of those 3 guys is a MLB.

                        I do agree that a DT pick is a big possibility, but not for the reasons you listed. I think it the position with the most projected value remaining at the time we pick.

                        I would also argue that with the loss of Tolly, we have almost no depth at the LDE position. Tuck has started amassing injuries and when he missed time last year, we used a combination of JPP, Canty and Tolly to replace him. Canty was only briefly there and didnt have much success as the position, at least compared to his performance at DT. JPP did well, but his numbers paled in comparison to what he did from the right side. Tolly did well as a passrusher, but he is gone now. I think we look for a guy who can play the LDE position as depth behind Tuck and a possible eventual replacement. I think there is a reason 1 of the 1st interviews the Giants pursued was Syracuse DE Chandler Jones. He is a more natural LDE( who played RDE at cuse last year.)

                        Lastly, while we may not select a RB in the 1st round, a RB pick is very likely at some point. It is a very good class and we have a lot of production to replace. I think restablishing a ground game is going to be a top priority of this team. We will select a RB and I think we will get a Olineman or 2 as well.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                          Has Goff been released? Hard time believing that cuz he was CHEAP.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                            [quote user="joeybagadonutz23"]Has Goff been released? Hard time believing that cuz he was CHEAP.[/quote]

                            he was a free agent who hasent resigned. Could be he wants more money.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Kruunch's 2012 Breakdown by Position (Defense)

                              I agree DT is the highest priority on the defense. But I don't want a pass rushing DT. I'd prefer a run-stuffing DT. If we are not going to make moves for a LB and not draft an impact LB then having a DT that can eat up blockers and take on double teams, so that are average LBs can go make plays is crucial..

                              CB is 2nd on my list.

                              I think we may want to go after a CB before a DT because we can get a run stuffer in later rounds, but a quality CB will be hard to come by later on.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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