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    With Cruz only making about 550K next season, and then being a FA, if he has another season like last he would be looking at a huge contract from someone as a #1 WR. Also, Nicks rookie contract will expire the following season in 2013. Both have real low contract numbers for the amount of contribution and impact they have on this team.




    The Gmen already have their backs against the wall with the cap. It might not be likely that they can resign both, especially if you consider the fact that JPP will land a MONSTER deal if he continues at his pace.




    So, which would you rather the giants keep, and which would you think we try to replace in the draft in the future?


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    Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz



    Nicks & JPP are #1 priorities.




    Cruz still has to show he can me more then a flash in the pan. But I feel he will have another solid season and the Giants will have to make a decision on what to do with his contract being up.




    If the Giants take the risk of not paying Cruz before next season is over and he has a monster year they may not be able to resign him. Unless the Giants franchise him, and it is clear the Giants don't use it unless they plan on giving a long term deal. Ex Weatherford and Jacobs.




    All in all I trust Reese and his staff. He will do whatever he can to help the team and keep the young talented core together.


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    • #3
      Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

      The cap is projected to go up that year so we shouldn't have much to worry about.

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        [quote user="TuggSpeedman"]The cap is projected to go up that year so we shouldn't have much to worry about.
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        The cap isnt expected to go "up" until 2014. So thats a year after Nicks contract is up and 2 years after Cruz. By the way, we are not sure how much we will get. I read somewhere that Robert Kraft said he believes teams relying on the cap increase will be in trouble in the future.

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        • #5
          Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

          Moot point. Barring a serious Cruz injury both WR's will be #1 priorities. Eli will restructure and the Giants will make whatever cap casualties necessary to obtain enough money to sign both players.
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          • #6
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            [quote user="thomsoad"]Moot point. Barring a serious Cruz injury both WR's will be #1 priorities. Eli will restructure and the Giants will make whatever cap casualties necessary to obtain enough money to sign both players.[/quote]

            agree 1000% no way we let them walk. those 2 along with jpp will be giants for a long time (fingers crossed)
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            • #7
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              however if there was no way possible to keep them both i would want us to keep nicks
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              • #8
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                [quote user="TuckYou"]

                With Cruz only making about 550K next season, and then being a FA, if he has another season like last he would be looking at a huge contract from someone as a #1 WR. Also, Nicks rookie contract will expire the following season in 2013. Both have real low contract numbers for the amount of contribution and impact they have on this team.




                The Gmen already have their backs against the wall with the cap. It might not be likely that they can resign both, especially if you consider the fact that JPP will land a MONSTER deal if he continues at his pace.




                So, which would you rather the giants keep, and which would you think we try to replace in the draft in the future?

                [/quote] Giants need to consider drafting a Safety or DT early to clear Canty and Rolle. Phillips is a FA as well.
                Drafting a WR in the first Round so they let him walk if he wants to much

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                • #9
                  Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                  [quote user="thomsoad"]Moot point. Barring a serious Cruz injury both WR's will be #1 priorities. Eli will restructure and the Giants will make whatever cap casualties necessary to obtain enough money to sign both players.[/quote]
                  Can't rely on Eli restructuring all the time, all that does is bump up his already massive cap number at the back-end of his contract.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                    It's not the time to worry about it. They are under contract right now

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                    • #11
                      Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                      Rolle won't play out his entire contract with us, he'll most likely be gone in two years, clear his cap.
                      Im predicting the same for Chris Canty if Marvin Austin pans out, clear his cap.
                      David Deihl and Chris Snee will also be cap causalities sooner than later, give or take 2-3 years. clear their cap.
                      Osi will be gone, clear his cap.
                      Boley will be gone in 2 years as well, clear his cap.

                      And there you go, a solution to sign the young stars while letting go of big money deals already in place.

                      Hopefully we don't screw up and go into rebuilding mode like the Colts, Vikings, Seahawks etc....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                        Easy choice Nicks. If Marvin shows any signs of competency we will let Canty go. We may draft a Boley replacement. I think Snee is a keeper. I couldn't see an excuse for letting him go unless his play declines. Everyone else on the O-line is expendable. We overpaid for Rolle so we will be developing or looking for a replacement.

                        Eli to Nicks & Cruz is this team's hallmark. I think Reese understands this and finds a way to get it done. We don't need a great RB or TE/3rd WR. If we can find a way to upgrade our run blocking and keep both receivers we should remain a threat to go to the SB.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="B&RWarrior"]Easy choice Nicks. If Marvin shows any signs of competency we will let Canty go. We may draft a Boley replacement. I think Snee is a keeper. I couldn't see an excuse for letting him go unless his play declines. Everyone else on the O-line is expendable. We overpaid for Rolle so we will be developing or looking for a replacement. Eli to Nicks & Cruz is this team's hallmark. I think Reese understands this and finds a way to get it done. We don't need a great RB or TE/3rd WR. If we can find a way to upgrade our run blocking and keep both receivers we should remain a threat to go to the SB.[/quote]




                          Yep, I think JR understands that the core of this team is Eli, Nicks, Cruz, JPP andTuck. Those are your big keepers, and teams generally find sways to keep their core players. \




                          Everyone else you have a value amount in mind for them, and once they overexceed that value and it gets in the way of keeping your main guys, you part ways with them and get replacements.




                          It's tough keeping two #1 salary WR guys on the same roster, but in order to make it possible you have to try and get salary value at other positions like RB, LBer.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                            Good post. I'm glad someone brought it up because there's too many people on this forum worried about the '3rd' WR position thinking it's the key to our success in the future when that's not true at all. Whoever is on the field with Cruz and Nicks will reap the benefits of their notoriety.

                            The Calvin Johnson contract is the new measuring stick for contract extensions for highly productive WRs. Obviously no one will get more than what Calvin got, but they will want to be in that ball park.

                            Nicks should be the bigger priority because he's more proven IMO.

                            Cruz's value will probably never be as high as it is this offseason. The kind of production he had will be difficult to reproduce. Teams will have 20 games worth of film to study him next season.

                            Both of their agents will command high dollar for them. I think it's viable to keep both of them along with JPP as long as the team is able to continue developing talent behind them. It's obvious them being on the field improves the play of the players around them. Minus Eli of course, he's his own man.


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                            • #15
                              Re: Possibility of not being able to resign BOTH Nicks and Cruz

                              [quote user="BeatYale"]Good post. I'm glad someone brought it up because there's too many people on this forum worried about the '3rd' WR position thinking it's the key to our success in the future when that's not true at all. Whoever is on the field with Cruz and Nicks will reap the benefits of their notoriety.

                              The Calvin Johnson contract is the new measuring stick for contract extensions for highly productive WRs. Obviously no one will get more than what Calvin got, but they will want to be in that ball park.

                              Nicks should be the bigger priority because he's more proven IMO.

                              Cruz's value will probably never be as high as it is this offseason. The kind of production he had will be difficult to reproduce. Teams will have 20 games worth of film to study him next season.

                              Both of their agents will command high dollar for them. I think it's viable to keep both of them along with JPP as long as the team is able to continue developing talent behind them. It's obvious them being on the field improves the play of the players around them. Minus Eli of course, he's his own man.[/quote]

                              I agree its not the key to success, but for our SB run our 3rd WR gave us signifigant production. Manningham provided some memorable plays in the clutch, at key points in the game, but his overall contribution was not as large as I initally thought.

                              It's scary to think of what JPP can be if can dedicate himself to mastering the technique of DE.

                              Call me crazy, but I think Osi should be resigned. He still is our best edge rusher and most dangerous DE on passing downs. 9 sacks in 9 games. He's a game changer. Especailly if we're going to keep Kiwi at LB.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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