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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream

    What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....

  • #2
    Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

    People are idiots. They had similar stats one year, so their careers must play out the same?

    Eli is the exception to the rule. There are a million intangibles that contributed to his success not only from his own ability to excel under pressure, but the supporting cast. The Jets do not have the supporting cast Eli had. What helped contribute to Eli's success was cutting off the fat, getting rid of the drama queens like Tiki and Shockey, not adding fuel to the fire like the Jets are doing with Tebow.

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    • #3
      Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

      While some stats may have been similar as the writer is suggesting I think Eli's inconsistencies early in his career were more game by game rather than Sanchez's play by play inconsistencies.

      What I mean is, early in Eli's career he had games where he looked dominate and showed his coolness under pressure. This is something I have never seen from Mark Sanchez, I have never seen Mark completely take over a game. Mark may make a good throw every once in a while but he just doesn't take over the game and look unstoppable. Eli inconsistencies early in his career were he would look dominate one game and then throw 4 picks then next game.

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      • #4
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        [quote user="crooza172"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82817380/article/will-mark-sanchez-progress-like-eli-manning?module=HP11_content_stream What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....[/quote]




        Sanchez simply isn't a starting NFL QB. He's a back up quality at best. He is mediocre at every aspect of the game.




        I geniunly believe that this will be his last season as the Jets starter.

        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • #5
          Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

          [quote user="Morehead State"]

          [quote user="crooza172"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82817380/article/will-mark-sanchez-progress-like-eli-manning?module=HP11_content_stream What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....[/quote]




          Sanchez simply isn't a starting NFL QB.* He's a back up quality at best. He is mediocre at every aspect of the game.




          I geniunly believe that this will be his last season as the Jets starter.

          [/quote]

          This all may be true.... but it has not been too many years ago that people were saying the same type of things about Eli. I honestly think Sanchez needs another team. Ryan is a carnival barker, the Jets team is a soap opera, NY media is a pressure cooker, and I can't see how any QB can thrive in those conditions. To the Giants credit, Tom Coughlin keeps his emotions and thoughts close to the vest, KG and the same offense have been in place ever since Eli arrived, and other than a few players I won't mention, everyone has rallied behind Eli. That certainly helps....

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          • #6
            Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

            Timmy Tebow will be the starting QB for NY Jets by week 8.

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            • #7
              Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

              [quote user="rebelfan1966"][quote user="Morehead State"]


              [quote user="crooza172"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82817380/article/will-mark-sanchez-progress-like-eli-manning?module=HP11_content_stream What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....[/quote]




              Sanchez simply isn't a starting NFL QB. He's a back up quality at best. He is mediocre at every aspect of the game.




              I geniunly believe that this will be his last season as the Jets starter.




              [/quote] This all may be true.... but it has not been too many years ago that people were saying the same type of things about Eli. I honestly think Sanchez needs another team. Ryan is a carnival barker, the Jets team is a soap opera, NY media is a pressure cooker, and I can't see how any QB can thrive in those conditions. To the Giants credit, Tom Coughlin keeps his emotions and thoughts close to the vest, KG and the same offense have been in place ever since Eli arrived, and other than a few players I won't mention, everyone has rallied behind Eli. That certainly helps....[/quote]




              No one ever said that Eli wasn't a legit starting QB in the NFL.

              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • #8
                Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="rebelfan1966"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                [quote user="crooza172"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82817380/article/will-mark-sanchez-progress-like-eli-manning?module=HP11_content_stream What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....[/quote]




                Sanchez simply isn't a starting NFL QB.* He's a back up quality at best. He is mediocre at every aspect of the game.




                I geniunly believe that this will be his last season as the Jets starter.




                [/quote] This all may be true.... but it has not been too many years ago that people were saying the same type of things about Eli. I honestly think Sanchez needs another team. Ryan is a carnival barker, the Jets team is a soap opera, NY media is a pressure cooker, and I can't see how any QB can thrive in those conditions. To the Giants credit, Tom Coughlin keeps his emotions and thoughts close to the vest, KG and the same offense have been in place ever since Eli arrived, and other than a few players I won't mention, everyone has rallied behind Eli. That certainly helps....[/quote]




                No one ever said that Eli wasn't a legit starting QB in the NFL.

                [/quote]

                Of course they did.....As silly as it seems now, there were even people calling for making J-Load the starter over Eli.

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                • #9
                  Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                  [quote user="rebelfan1966"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="rebelfan1966"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                  [quote user="crooza172"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82817380/article/will-mark-sanchez-progress-like-eli-manning?module=HP11_content_stream What they fail to say in this article is eli had over 60 LESS pass attempts...in a tougher division. What a BS comparison. You can make stats look like anything if you position them right....[/quote]




                  Sanchez simply isn't a starting NFL QB.* He's a back up quality at best. He is mediocre at every aspect of the game.




                  I geniunly believe that this will be his last season as the Jets starter.




                  [/quote] This all may be true.... but it has not been too many years ago that people were saying the same type of things about Eli. I honestly think Sanchez needs another team. Ryan is a carnival barker, the Jets team is a soap opera, NY media is a pressure cooker, and I can't see how any QB can thrive in those conditions. To the Giants credit, Tom Coughlin keeps his emotions and thoughts close to the vest, KG and the same offense have been in place ever since Eli arrived, and other than a few players I won't mention, everyone has rallied behind Eli. That certainly helps....[/quote]




                  No one ever said that Eli wasn't a legit starting QB in the NFL.

                  [/quote]

                  Of course they did.....As silly as it seems now, there were even people calling for making J-Load the starter over Eli.[/quote]

                  Lets rephrase that... Nobody with any legit football knowledge said that. Pisssed off Giant fans...yes. Any other professional football player, commentator, or QB/Head coach...no
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                  • #10
                    Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                    [quote user="buffyblue"]Timmy Tebow will be the starting QB for NY Jets by week 8.[/quote]

                    i am thinking week 5 the latest...despite Rex saying Sanchez is his guy, u can tell with a guy like Rex when he's enamored by someone, he def. has appreciation for the type of player tebow is. at this point, id say the only reason sanchez is penciled the starter is bc of continuity, not based on who gives the team the best chance to win.

                    ryan wants to run the ball, and play defense. tebow is the ideal fit for his style of football. sanchez better start off fast otherwise he'll end up digging himself deeper than neverend

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                      YEAH THIS ARTICLE ISN'T GETTING READ BY ME

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                      • #12
                        Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                        Sanchez has a lot of limitations as a passer. He needs to be guarded by the scheme, because he can't make the scheme. I think there is a chance that Sparano could work well with him, primarily by running the ball, and implementing a system that relies on short rhythmic timing routes.

                        Stay ahead of the down and distance and pound the ball.

                        But I'm not afraid to say that I'd rather have Tebow starting RIGHT NOW. Both are very limited in their abilities when it comes to throwing the ball, but Tebow is ten times the leader that Sanchez is, as well as more mobile. I'd rather have a bunch of fluke wins than none at all.

                        Can Sanchez develop over time? I think he can. He can improve his accuracy, anticipation, and decision making, but where he differs from Eli is work ethic.

                        You could make the argument that Eli gets more credit than he should in some aspects of his game (prior to this year, this year he was as close to impeccable as it gets), but Eli doesn't get enough credit in other aspects as well. We forget that since about the time he has been starting, he sets the run game at the line, he adjusts the protection, he makes the calls. People blame Gilbride for some shortcomings, but that system is tailored to Eli, and we saw what happens when it clicks and everyone is on the same page. It is a spectacle.

                        But the only reason we can say that is because Eli has characteristics that can almost never be coached up -- among them being: his clutch performances, pocket presence (which has improved, significantly this year I might add, but if you don't have it to begin with, you almost never develop it), anticipation, and the ability to make stick throws. This is why Eli is very scheme diverse, and the closest thing to not being a system QB.

                        By the way, system QB is not a bad term. Almost every QB is a system QB and manipulated by scheme. But there are universal QB traits and characteristics that separate QBs like Eli and QBs like Matt Flynn -- who breaks down under collapsing pockets, and hasn't shown much more than average skills as a passer.

                        Eli flashed a lot prior to last year, his potential was clear as day. He showed that he possessed every one of those universal traits, and last year he put them on display very consistently. Sanchez though, I really haven't seen much to believe he has those skills. He is a solid complimentary QB, average-below average head honcho.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                          I think Sanchez needs to be with an offensive-minded coach.

                          Look at what Jim Harbaugh was able to do with Alex Smith. If Sanchez had a presence like that he could probably develop better than he is now

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                          • #14
                            Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                            [quote user="gmen0820"]Sanchez has a lot of limitations as a passer. He needs to be guarded by the scheme, because he can't make the scheme. I think there is a chance that Sparano could work well with him, primarily by running the ball, and implementing a system that relies on short rhythmic timing routes.

                            Stay ahead of the down and distance and pound the ball.

                            But I'm not afraid to say that I'd rather have Tebow starting RIGHT NOW. Both are very limited in their abilities when it comes to throwing the ball, but Tebow is ten times the leader that Sanchez is, as well as more mobile. I'd rather have a bunch of fluke wins than none at all.

                            Can Sanchez develop over time? I think he can. He can improve his accuracy, anticipation, and decision making, but where he differs from Eli is work ethic.

                            You could make the argument that Eli gets more credit than he should in some aspects of his game (prior to this year, this year he was as close to impeccable as it gets), but Eli doesn't get enough credit in other aspects as well. We forget that since about the time he has been starting, he sets the run game at the line, he adjusts the protection, he makes the calls. People blame Gilbride for some shortcomings, but that system is tailored to Eli, and we saw what happens when it clicks and everyone is on the same page. It is a spectacle.

                            But the only reason we can say that is because Eli has characteristics that can almost never be coached up -- among them being: his clutch performances, pocket presence (which has improved, significantly this year I might add, but if you don't have it to begin with, you almost never develop it), anticipation, and the ability to make stick throws. This is why Eli is very scheme diverse, and the closest thing to not being a system QB.

                            By the way, system QB is not a bad term. Almost every QB is a system QB and manipulated by scheme. But there are universal QB traits and characteristics that separate QBs like Eli and QBs like Matt Flynn -- who breaks down under collapsing pockets, and hasn't shown much more than average skills as a passer.

                            Eli flashed a lot prior to last year, his potential was clear as day. He showed that he possessed every one of those universal traits, and last year he put them on display very consistently. Sanchez though, I really haven't seen much to believe he has those skills. He is a solid complimentary QB, average-below average head honcho.[/quote]

                            great post although I will add that Sanchez is also a putrid intermediate to deep throw passer. which is kinda ironic bc Tebow, for all his flaws, actually throws a better deep ball imho...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Sanchez vs Eli article

                              [quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="gmen0820"]Sanchez has a lot of limitations as a passer. He needs to be guarded by the scheme, because he can't make the scheme. I think there is a chance that Sparano could work well with him, primarily by running the ball, and implementing a system that relies on short rhythmic timing routes.

                              Stay ahead of the down and distance and pound the ball.

                              But I'm not afraid to say that I'd rather have Tebow starting RIGHT NOW. Both are very limited in their abilities when it comes to throwing the ball, but Tebow is ten times the leader that Sanchez is, as well as more mobile. I'd rather have a bunch of fluke wins than none at all.

                              Can Sanchez develop over time? I think he can. He can improve his accuracy, anticipation, and decision making, but where he differs from Eli is work ethic.

                              You could make the argument that Eli gets more credit than he should in some aspects of his game (prior to this year, this year he was as close to impeccable as it gets), but Eli doesn't get enough credit in other aspects as well. We forget that since about the time he has been starting, he sets the run game at the line, he adjusts the protection, he makes the calls. People blame Gilbride for some shortcomings, but that system is tailored to Eli, and we saw what happens when it clicks and everyone is on the same page. It is a spectacle.

                              But the only reason we can say that is because Eli has characteristics that can almost never be coached up -- among them being: his clutch performances, pocket presence (which has improved, significantly this year I might add, but if you don't have it to begin with, you almost never develop it), anticipation, and the ability to make stick throws. This is why Eli is very scheme diverse, and the closest thing to not being a system QB.

                              By the way, system QB is not a bad term. Almost every QB is a system QB and manipulated by scheme. But there are universal QB traits and characteristics that separate QBs like Eli and QBs like Matt Flynn -- who breaks down under collapsing pockets, and hasn't shown much more than average skills as a passer.

                              Eli flashed a lot prior to last year, his potential was clear as day. He showed that he possessed every one of those universal traits, and last year he put them on display very consistently. Sanchez though, I really haven't seen much to believe he has those skills. He is a solid complimentary QB, average-below average head honcho.[/quote]

                              great post although I will add that Sanchez is also a putrid intermediate to deep throw passer. which is kinda ironic bc Tebow, for all his flaws, actually throws a better deep ball imho...[/quote]That's true. Tebow was definitely far from gun shy, the kid goes after it.
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