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    [quote user="gumby742"]

    [quote user="pino"]To tivialize the RB position is just silly to me. Apparently you can win the Super Bowl with a 27th ranked defense, so should we not improve our defense then? Of course you can win without a good RB, but having a good RB makes you that much better. What happens when conditions don't favor the passing game? What if they are doing a good job at pressuring Eli? Covering our WR's? Having a balanced attack is the best you can hope for in an offense. Look at the Patriots; we pressured Brady and what happened? I bet they wish they had Arian Foster then. Speaking of the Pats, remember when the Pats had Corey Dillion? He was old but it improved their defense by a large margin (from #17 total offense in 2003, to #7 in 2004 and 2005).[/quote]




    I'll take a good oline over a great RB any day of the week.

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    So would I. But apparently the Giants felt Wilson couldn't be passed up.

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      I guess it's time for a new quote for me also!!!

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        But like I said, the pick suprised me.......I def thought we were taking Hill, Upshaw or even Fleener.....I would have liked to try and pick up Lamichael James later on...I think he is more of a power back and fills that Jacobs role a bit better....but again, it's just my opinion and everything is all speculation, we have no idea what will happen with any of these picks from any of these teams.

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          I think he also returns kicks and punts . thats worth atleast one win right there . Getting more than 1 yrd on a punt return . Just the threat or him breaking one might get us better field postion .

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            [quote user="ralphpal"]I think he also returns kicks and punts . thats worth atleast one win right there . Getting more than 1 yrd on a punt return . Just the threat or him breaking one might get us better field postion .[/quote]

            Not to mention if he starts getting touchdowns on special teams. You might see teams going for it on 4th and short at midfield because of this guy...

            I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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            • Here is that thread.

              David Wilson "needs to grow up"??? Sounds to me like we may have swung and missed. Too early to tell, but RBs are in fact a dime a dozen unless you get the Petersons or Richardsons in the top 10. This team would be thrilled to have Doug Martin over David Wilson right about now. Look at all the other RBs taken late as well, the Skins for example have a 6th round rookie who looks like a first round draft pick.
              Jerry Reese is burying this team in a premature grave

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              • Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
                Here is that thread.

                David Wilson "needs to grow up"??? Sounds to me like we may have swung and missed. Too early to tell, but RBs are in fact a dime a dozen unless you get the Petersons or Richardsons in the top 10. This team would be thrilled to have Doug Martin over David Wilson right about now. Look at all the other RBs taken late as well, the Skins for example have a 6th round rookie who looks like a first round draft pick.
                It's very common for early round running backs to get a chance to produce immediately.

                The Giants don't follow that trend, apparently. Doug Martin would be on the bench right now if the Giants selected him instead of Wilson.
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • Gmenagain was banned? Surprised it took this long lol.

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                  • RB coach Jerald Ingram on running game progress

                    http://www.giants.com/media-vault/vi...4-6d77ecbee216

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                    • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                      It's very common for early round running backs to get a chance to produce immediately.The Giants don't follow that trend, apparently. Doug Martin would be on the bench right now if the Giants selected him instead of Wilson.
                      Doug Martin would not be sitting on the bench right now if he was here. He would be our best running back. He was more NFL ready then Wilson. A lot more.
                      Jerry Reese is burying this team in a premature grave

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                      • Originally posted by Firenugget View Post
                        I'm tired of hearing that. No offense to you personally, just in general. RB's are definitely not a dime a dozen. Unless of course you mean 3rd/4th string RB's...

                        As far as the Bucs go I like Wilson better than Martin myself.
                        I think he means they are easier to find than most positions which is true I guess.

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                        • As a Running Back, one who has played this position and continues to do so, no they are not

                          maybe an average back, but an elite game changing back, no not a "Dime a dozen"

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                          • Originally posted by TheShouldersOf View Post
                            As a Running Back, one who has played this position and continues to do so, no they are not

                            maybe an average back, but an elite game changing back, no not a "Dime a dozen"
                            Thats what the post says. The elite backs like Peterson are not a dime a dozen. Those backs come once in a while and I feel Trent Richardson is another back like that. But how many SBs have these back won? RBs are a dime a dozen. Not to knock their talents, but without an oline opening holes, no running back (maybe outside Barry Sanders) will look good. Look what the Giants did with Derrick Ward behind a solid oline. They made him a great running back in 2008. Then he left and wasn't even half the running back he was here. This happens all the time. It is mostly the Oline controlling which RBs are good and which aren't, with the obvious exception of the best in the league.

                            Look at Shady McCoy this year to last. Last year he was on top of the NFL. This year with no Oline, he is struggling mightily. Get Wilson (1st round pick) a great Oline and he will shine. Get Brown (4th round pick) a great Oline and he will shine. Get Bradshaw (7th round pick) a great oline and he will shine. Get Ward (UDFA) a solid oline and he will shine. Get (Insert quality RB here) a solid Oline and he will shine. Oline controls a RBs success more then RBs controlling the Olines success.

                            Look what Pittsburgh is doing. Mendenhall, Dwyer, Redman, Rainey... who ever. They all look good because the Oline is opening holes and pushing DLs back.
                            Jerry Reese is burying this team in a premature grave

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                            • Unfortunately bumb on this guy.... Wilson still proving me right. Dime a dozen is the RB these days.
                              Jerry Reese is burying this team in a premature grave

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                              • Originally posted by TuckYou View Post
                                I am not thrilled with this pick at all. I wasn't thrilled with JPP though either, so, really it doesnt mean much.




                                BUT




                                Running backs are a dime a dozen. The only one I would of taken is Richardson. After that, it is too deep to get one in the first.




                                Im not saying Wilson will be bad or a bust by anymeans, but I feel we reached. I feel we were hoping Doug Martin was thereand the Bucs straight up smacked us in the nose by trading right in front of us and snagging him.




                                And I want to go on record and say that Courtney Upshaw is going to be a probowler for years to come. Watching this guy play, he could do it all. Rush the passer, play LB, ect. Reminds me of when DeMeco Ryans slipped. Upshaw will be better then Ryans, who won the DROY and has been to multiple probowls.




                                I would of rather taken someone to replace MM like Stephan Hill. It's a passing league now. We dont run the ball as much as we used to. And it netted us a 2nd SB in 4 years. Nicks and Cruz willnot both be resigned.




                                Our Oline was one of the worst for run blocking in the NFL. That isnt going to change much. Id almost rather we rebuild the Oline. Cordy Glenn, Konz, Adams...The trenches.




                                Anyway, I dont agree with the pick, but Reese is the man so I guess we will see what his game plan is. I guess I am just a little sour because the Bucs made us look bad too.


                                I'm fine with Wilson, but I understand your point.

                                Alot of these "stud" runningbacks were simply the product of dominating college lines. Ron Dayne is a perfect example.

                                I would much rather focus on the offensive line for our early draft picks.

                                Pugh was a good start. Reese needs to go back to that next year as well.

                                Drafting statistics (see draftmetrics.com) support that offensive lineman have the best rookie/3 year/5 year starting percentage of any positional group. Also, they tend to be able to slide across to other positions well (i.e., a tackle can convert to guard, center, etc).

                                The stats also show that there is a huge difference between guys taken in the top 75 picks, and guys taken thereafter. So this notion that Reese can address pressing needs in the later rounds is really just betting on Vegas odds - sometime it works (e.g., Ahmad Bradshaw), but most often, these guys are just roster filler until a better player is available the following year.

                                I think 2 things are true:

                                #1 - Reese needs to help repair this line. Boothe is okay. Baas, Snee, and Diehl have declining shelf lives. The guys backing up the starters just aren't that good.

                                #2 - Reese needs to hit on his first two rounds. He can't afford drafting guys that can't start quickly and play well.

                                The late rounds are for backups, and for rolling the dice on players......it's not a strategy that will build a team's foundation, nor address roster weak spots (OL, LB).
                                Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 09-19-2013, 12:22 PM.
                                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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