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  • The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

    PFT posted an article today Link

    Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation.

    Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz?

    Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does.

    I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009.

    2012 Base Salaries:
    Hakeem Nicks - 750,000*
    Victor Cruz - 525,000

    (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses.

    I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

    Nicks has proven himself longer, and is the #1. He makes the offense go, and is simply a better player than Cruz, despite what the stats may say. He will be paid handsomely, I doubt Reese lets his first round gem walk.

    Cruz still has a lot to prove, and Reese knows that. He's forcing Cruz to play out his contract and have another great year to determine what kind of contract Cruz deserves. Remember, we can tender Cruz next year with a 1st rounder, and match any offers made.

    Reese is handling this perfectly right now, imo. Nicks is going to demand a huge contract, and Cruz will demand only slightly less than Nicks if he has anywhere near a repeat of last year.

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    • #3
      Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

      Cruz will be taken care of after the season. JR wants to make sure it was not a one and done year for Cruz.

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      • #4
        Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

        [quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link

        Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation.

        Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz?

        Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does.

        I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009.

        2012 Base Salaries:
        Hakeem Nicks - 750,000*
        Victor Cruz - 525,000

        (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses.

        I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other.

        What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.

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        • #5
          Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

          [quote user="XxBigWhitxX"][quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link

          Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation.

          Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz?

          Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does.

          I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009.

          2012 Base Salaries:
          Hakeem Nicks - 750,000*
          Victor Cruz - 525,000

          (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses.

          I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other.

          What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.[/quote]

          My intention with this thread is to gather what everyone thinks, not to respond to every opinion, BUT...

          Osi should be given the middle finger. The guy is a greedy pig and everyone knows it. But he is also an exceptional player, and he is paid like an exceptional player so he needs to ride his 40 million out. He signed it.

          But giving Cruz money is more of a slap in the face to Nicks than it is to Osi.

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          • #6
            Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

            Just playing a fly in the ointment here, but IF both Cruz and Nicks were given new contracts at the same time couldn't they conceivably hold out together at the end of their contracts and hurt the Giants? I feel sure Reese would not do that but would stagger their ending dates? Anyone know the answer to this? tia

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            • #7
              Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)



              [quote user="Spedracer"][quote user="XxBigWhitxX"][quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation. Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz? Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does. I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009. 2012 Base Salaries: Hakeem Nicks - 750,000* Victor Cruz - 525,000 (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses. I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other. What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.[/quote] My intention with this thread is to gather what everyone thinks, not to respond to every opinion, BUT... Osi should be given the middle finger. The guy is a greedy pig and everyone knows it. But he is also an exceptional player, and he is paid like an exceptional player so he needs to ride his 40 million out. He signed it. But giving Cruz money is more of a slap in the face to Nicks than it is to Osi.[/quote]




              Cool story bro.




              Did you say the same about Strahan?

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              • #8
                Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                So much can happen between now and the time their contracts are up.

                It's not always wise to pay players more money when you don't have to.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                  [quote user="TuckYou"]

                  [quote user="Spedracer"][quote user="XxBigWhitxX"][quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation. Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz? Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does. I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009. 2012 Base Salaries: Hakeem Nicks - 750,000* Victor Cruz - 525,000 (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses. I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other. What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.[/quote] My intention with this thread is to gather what everyone thinks, not to respond to every opinion, BUT... Osi should be given the middle finger. The guy is a greedy pig and everyone knows it. But he is also an exceptional player, and he is paid like an exceptional player so he needs to ride his 40 million out. He signed it. But giving Cruz money is more of a slap in the face to Nicks than it is to Osi.[/quote]




                  Cool story bro.




                  Did you say the same about Strahan?

                  [/quote]

                  You just compared Strahan to Umenyiora...cool story, Bro!

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                    [quote user="ashleymarie"]Just playing a fly in the ointment here, but IF both Cruz and Nicks were given new contracts at the same time couldn't they conceivably hold out together at the end of their contracts and hurt the Giants? I feel sure Reese would not do that but would stagger their ending dates? Anyone know the answer to this? tia[/quote]

                    I don't think holdouts over contracts are even an option in either of these guys' minds. Nicks has a work ethic that is one of the best in the NFL. Sure he'll want his big pay day, but he won't hold out over it. Cruz is largely the same way; also, as a UDFA, he knows how fortunate he is to have an NFL contract at all. Both of these guys are team-oriented people, unlike Osi who is self-oriented.

                    To be honest, I don't think Osi is worth his talent anymore. The disruptions in the locker room more than offset his playing talent on the field. He's already making a bad impression on JPP, who said he would handle his contract situation the same way Osi did. By not giving in, Reese is showing JPP that whining like a little girl won't get you what you want on this team. But the sooner this bad influence is moved away, the better. Tuck is a much better role model for young players anyway...

                    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                      [quote user="nygsb42champs"]Cruz will be taken care of after the season. JR wants to make sure it was not a one and done year for Cruz.[/quote]

                      +1
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                        [quote user="XxBigWhitxX"][quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link

                        Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation.

                        Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz?

                        Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does.

                        I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009.

                        2012 Base Salaries:
                        Hakeem Nicks - 750,000*
                        Victor Cruz - 525,000

                        (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses.

                        I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other.

                        What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.[/quote]

                        Why would that be? You have to follow your process with whichever players need to be given consideration. They just extended Kiwanuka and that had nothing to do with Osi.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #13
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                          U cant give a guy that played 1 season a new contract .That would be a terrible precedent to set

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                            [quote user="TuckYou"]

                            [quote user="Spedracer"][quote user="XxBigWhitxX"][quote user="Spedracer"]PFT posted an article today Link Basically it amounts to Jerry Reese praising the way Victor Cruz is handling himself verses how Osi Umenyiora has handled his contract situation. Why not reward Cruz for his actions? He is staying grounded and is willing to do right unto the Giants, so why wont Reese do right unto Cruz? Now we can only speculate, because we don't know if there are contract talks currently going on. But I would think that in the best case scenario, Hakeem Nicks would receive a contract at the same time Victor Cruz does. I just can't see them paying Cruz before Nicks. Nicks has been with the Giants longer, was a 1st round pick, and has been a top tier player for the Giants since 2009. 2012 Base Salaries: Hakeem Nicks - 750,000* Victor Cruz - 525,000 (*) - Keeping in mind that Hakeem got 6.5 million in guaranteed signing bonuses. I conclude that this is a quandary to say the least. Both Nicks and Cruz are being paid less than their true value to the team. You can't reward one without rewarding the other. What are your thoughts?[/quote]By paying Cruz now you'd practically be giving Osi the middle finger and would make the situation worse. I do agree however that Cruz deserves a new contract but after the Osi situation is over and done with. Because right now any extension by the Giants would seem like a slap in the face to Osi and the front office does WANT to resign him but at a fair price angering him could permanently stall all negotiations and end in a Trade Demand and more talking and mudslinging to the media.[/quote] My intention with this thread is to gather what everyone thinks, not to respond to every opinion, BUT... Osi should be given the middle finger. The guy is a greedy pig and everyone knows it. But he is also an exceptional player, and he is paid like an exceptional player so he needs to ride his 40 million out. He signed it. But giving Cruz money is more of a slap in the face to Nicks than it is to Osi.[/quote]




                            Cool story bro.




                            Did you say the same about Strahan?

                            [/quote]


                            Eassy there buddy!!!!

                            Osi is one of the greatest Giants players of all time (like 4th best DE)

                            Strahan is one of the Greatest NFL Players of all time

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Victor Cruz Dilemm(uh)

                              [quote user="Redeyejedi"]U cant give a guy that played 1 season a new contract .That would be a terrible precedent to set[/quote]

                              then we would be the Jacksonville Jaguars


                              i.e. Laurent Robinson

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