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    Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


    [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link]

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    Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


    [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

    Great article, unfortunately most Giants fans think that Gilbride is a bad OC, id challange anyone to name 5 betters OCs in this league.

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    • #3
      Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

      i think what it was with KG, is people disliked the system he runs more than him personally. I know part of my beef for a long time was I thought his system could be too complex for the wr's and would limit the success we had.

      boy was i wrong. turns out we just needed the right blend of wr's...

      fwiw tho, I remember reading Cosell write about the Run/Shoot and how before KG, no true Run/Shoot offense had ever won a SB, so there was a little bit of precedence in not being a fan of the system...but when u got the right qb and right wr to pull it off, it looks like a thing of pure genius/beauty

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      • #4
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        [quote user="CGYgiant"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


        [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

        Great article, unfortunately most Giants fans think that Gilbride is a bad OC, id challange anyone to name 5 betters OCs in this league.
        [/quote]

        I don't think "most Giants fans think that Gilbride is a bad OC." A lot of posters here sure do, even in the face of no losing season since TC has been HC. But we here are just a small segment of the GIANTS' fan base.

        Gilbride and Fewell catch flack on a play by play bases AFTER we know the results.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #5
          Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

          [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="CGYgiant"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


          [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

          Great article, unfortunately most Giants fans think that Gilbride is a bad OC, id challange anyone to name 5 betters OCs in this league.
          [/quote]

          I don't think "most Giants fans think that Gilbride is a bad OC." A lot of posters here sure do, even in the face of no losing season since TC has been HC. But we here are just a small segment of the GIANTS' fan base.

          Gilbride and Fewell catch flack on a play by play bases AFTER we know the results.
          [/quote]

          Well, now most Giants fan technically can't say he is a bad OC in this league but whether it was on giants.com or on twitter, the number one issue people have is Gilbride which never made any sense, our offense was excellent last year.

          I also thought it was interesting when Eli took the stage when we one the Superbowl the first person he thanked was Kevin Gilbride. I had almost weekly arguments with people (unlike yourself RK) who all they kept saying was Gilbride is a bad OC. It was kind of funny actually.

          Back on topic though, I noticed that Eli threw downfield more then any other QB last year and defenses have too respect that. I hope our Oline gives Eli more time to throw down field.

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          • #6
            Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

            Nice article.

            Am I the only one that's going through and reading the other linked articles about how to implement the R&S concepts in modern formations, though?

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            • #7
              Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

              [quote user="Drez"]Nice article.

              Am I the only one that's going through and reading the other linked articles about how to implement the R&S concepts in modern formations, though?
              [/quote]

              i find it interesting too. i forget but i believe RF posted an awesome article near the SB about the different run/shoot variants that KG implores.

              In some ways, its a run shoot offense, but in other ways, its an evolution of it that KG has paired with a balanced attack.

              having the right wr's and qb has been pivotal to KG adapting and evolving the run/shoot offense

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              • #8
                Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

                [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


                [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

                I posted this in Jan.

                great article

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                • #9
                  Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

                  [quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


                  [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

                  I posted this in Jan.

                  great article[/quote]

                  ah that was u. i knew some one had posted about this around the SB. thought it was RF...

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                  • #10
                    Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

                    [quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


                    [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

                    I posted this in Jan.

                    great article[/quote]

                    ah that was u. i knew some one had posted about this around the SB. thought it was RF...[/quote]No it was RF, because I know what article you're talking about. Two different articles that RF and YA posted.

                    Both great articles. Really changed most people's perspective on a highly criticized offense [coordinator].
                    My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                    • #11
                      Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

                      [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


                      [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

                      I posted this in Jan.

                      great article[/quote]

                      ah that was u. i knew some one had posted about this around the SB. thought it was RF...[/quote]No it was RF, because I know what article you're talking about. Two different articles that RF and YA posted.

                      Both great articles. Really changed most people's perspective on a highly criticized offense [coordinator].[/quote]

                      oh yeah i remember vaguely...but yeah i gotta admit, those articles changed my opinion of the system...

                      that was my issue with KG originally, not necessarily him, but the system he ran...when he has the right wr's and qb tho, it is a thing of beauty

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                      • #12
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                        I find gilbride's playcalling maddening at times...especially in 2010 but overall its getting harder and harder to compain about the guy. The offense is always highly ranked. The team is always competitve and Eli has a lot of control so some of the playcalling madness might be on Eli.

                        I hate to say it but Gilbride is ok by me.
                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                        Burier: Yes.

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                        • #13
                          Re: V CRUZ & The RUN/SHOOT

                          [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="YATittle1962"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Not sure if this has been posted but its pretty interesting


                          [link]http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7481235/chris-brown-victor-cruz-new-york-giants[/link][/quote]

                          I posted this in Jan.

                          great article[/quote]

                          ah that was u. i knew some one had posted about this around the SB. thought it was RF...[/quote]No it was RF, because I know what article you're talking about. Two different articles that RF and YA posted.

                          Both great articles. Really changed most people's perspective on a highly criticized offense [coordinator].[/quote]

                          It's about time KG got some credit (although the article seems to slant it more towards Cruz).

                          KG does out smart himself some times, but even Bellichick is guilty of that.

                          I'll never be happy with throwing Go routes on 3rd and short, but you just can't complain about the results overall.

                          [b]
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                            The flaw with the Gilbride offense is that it is inconsistent. This article and a few other articles posted point out exactly why the offense is so inconsistent. Look at how many options the WR's have to change their route. I think it has a lot to do with why we see Eli on a different page with the WRs some times. In this offense I think that is a problem that will always be there.

                            Gilbride says the offense he ran in Houston gave WRs 3 times the responsibility as his current offense with the Giants. I have to say after reading how his offense work I've gained a lot more respect for Eli's abilities as well as the WRs.

                            I think a 55% completion percentage in the Gilbride offense equates to a 60% completion percentage in a traditional passing game w/o the read and react responsibilities.

                            Warren Moon was a maestro in Houston. I didn't realize how difficult his job was.
                            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                              [quote user="B&RWarrior"]The flaw with the Gilbride offense is that it is inconsistent. This article and a few other articles posted point out exactly why the offense is so inconsistent. Look at how many options the WR's have to change their route. I think it has a lot to do with why we see Eli on a different page with the WRs some times. In this offense I think that is a problem that will always be there.

                              Gilbride says the offense he ran in Houston gave WRs 3 times the responsibility as his current offense with the Giants. I have to say after reading how his offense work I've gained a lot more respect for Eli's abilities as well as the WRs.

                              I think a 55% completion percentage in the Gilbride offense equates to a 60% completion percentage in a traditional passing game w/o the read and react responsibilities.

                              Warren Moon was a maestro in Houston. I didn't realize how difficult his job was.[/quote]

                              These same 'problems' present tremendous challenges to opposing defenses. Look how Cruz dominated in the NFC championship game and this season in general, his route is dependent on what he sees from the defender, why run a route when its going to be covered? this offense is unique as it allows our players to make adjustments on the fly

                              You can't look at the negatives without looking at the positives, this offense was the reason we won the Superbowl this year.

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