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    I'm bored so I thought I might get some input on Armstead. When he entered the league he was about 205. He got up to about 238 lbs. My friends used to joke that Jesse was on roids the way he blew up.

    Looking back I can honestly say that packing on that kind muscle in a 2 year period is phenomenal. I think the guy was juicing. The older I get the less likely I am too assess every Giants team or player with rose colored glasses.

    Not trying to be a troll, just interested to see what other peoples thoughts were on J Armstead. He's my favorite player after LT. Yes I like him more than Strahan.
    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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    He was a good player on some very mediocre teams.

    As for the 'roids, in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. I see no reason Armstead's legacy should be tarnished.

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    • #3
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      Jesse Armstead weighed in at 235 prior to the 1993 draft.

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        why are you posting something ridiculous about jesse armstead when you you should've been watching Eli's stellar performance on SNL?
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        • #5
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          [quote user="jmike"]Jesse Armstead weighed in at 235 prior to the 1993 draft.
          [/quote]

          Not even close my friend. I'm a loyal fan of the U and he wasn't anywhere near 230. The Bermuda Triangle was known to be undersized, fast, and furious.

          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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            [quote user="RagTime Blue"]He was a good player on some very mediocre teams.

            As for the 'roids, in this country you're innocent until proven guilty.* I see no reason Armstead's legacy should be tarnished.
            [/quote]

            Armstead was a great player not just good. If he didnt' get hurt he'd be a HOFer.

            I think Roids was a part of that football era. I don't think it tarnishes any football players legacy. Roids can only add strength and decrease muscle recovery time from fatigue and some injuries. Roids never made anybody a better player. Armstead was the same player he was at Miami just way bigger.

            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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              Where is this coming from? 98 hasn't played in like ten years. Did he ever get the 4 game rip? No! So it's a non issue. Why would a Giants fan with absolutely no evidence at all come on here and attempt to tarnish the career of a fan favorite. Take a walk buddy!
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                [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="RagTime Blue"]He was a good player on some very mediocre teams.

                As for the 'roids, in this country you're innocent until proven guilty.* I see no reason Armstead's legacy should be tarnished.
                [/quote]

                Armstead was a great player not just good. If he didnt' get hurt he'd be a HOFer.

                I think Roids was a part of that football era. I don't think it tarnishes any football players legacy. Roids can only add strength and decrease muscle recovery time from fatigue and some injuries. Roids never made anybody a better player. Armstead was the same player he was at Miami just way bigger.[/quote]

                Love armstead too but even if healthy he was never going to sniff the Hall..Idk about ur point about roids not making someone a better player either.

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                  [quote user="nhpgiantsfan"]Where is this coming from? 98 hasn't played in like ten years. Did he ever get the 4 game rip? No! So it's a non issue. Why would a Giants fan with absolutely no evidence at all come on here and attempt to tarnish the career of a fan favorite. Take a walk buddy![/quote]

                  Long offseason and I'm tired of talking about Osi. MBs may not be the place for you as there tend to be lots of varying opinions. Me, I'm in my comfort zone. I learn so much from those that don't see things the way I do. I look for opposing views to help grow my perpective.

                  Like I said I don't think roids tarnishes his rep. That's just my opinion.
                  Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                  http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                  • #10
                    Re: Jesse Armstead Question

                    Sorry...you are mistaken. He may have played at Miami at 205; however, prior to the draft he weighed in at 235. Look it up and you will see.

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                      [quote user="allentown PA"][quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="RagTime Blue"]He was a good player on some very mediocre teams.

                      As for the 'roids, in this country you're innocent until proven guilty.* I see no reason Armstead's legacy should be tarnished.
                      [/quote]

                      Armstead was a great player not just good. If he didnt' get hurt he'd be a HOFer.

                      I think Roids was a part of that football era. I don't think it tarnishes any football players legacy. Roids can only add strength and decrease muscle recovery time from fatigue and some injuries. Roids never made anybody a better player. Armstead was the same player he was at Miami just way bigger.[/quote]

                      Love armstead too but even if healthy he was never going to sniff the Hall..Idk about ur point about roids not making someone a better player either.[/quote]

                      Okay you have a point but those few years of dominance he was the best thing going at OLB. Of course I'm biased.

                      I guess roids can add strength so your ability to take on double teams and make and break tackles and shed blockers is enhanced so you're probably right in that sense roids makes you a better player.

                      John Saunders had a piece on the Sports Reporters where he talks about how roids didn't ruin baseball and how the older era players had advantages that today's players don't have making the roids issue a moot point,
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • #12
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                        [quote user="jmike"]Sorry...you are mistaken. He may have played at Miami at 205; however, prior to the draft he weighed in at 235. Look it up and you will see.[/quote]

                        I tried to look it up and couldn't find anything. If you find it post it. Thanks.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • #13
                          Re: Jesse Armstead Question

                          [quote user="jmike"]Sorry...you are mistaken. He may have played at Miami at 205; however, prior to the draft he weighed in at 235. Look it up and you will see.[/quote]

                          That may have been his listed playing wieght in the program guide, but he played much closer to 220.

                          Jesse was 1 of the most highly recruited players in the country coming out of high school. His biggest claim to fame coming out of high school(little known fact) was that he was the 1st player to ever be named All-American 3 years in high school.
                          However, he was only about 200 lbs coming out of high school and many teams wanted him to play safety. Reportedly, Jimmy Johnson promised him a chance to play LB and that was a key factor in his decision. However, shortly after being recruited JJ announced his intention to leave for the Cowboys. Reports were that Armstead was about to ask out of his commitment until Dennis Erickson came in and upheld the Johnson promise not to move him to safety.


                          Back then, media guides were often not updated for a players entire college career. It is likely Armstead weighed 205 his freshman year when they took his info and they just didnt update it. But he was bigger by the time he left. A lot pf programs still do this, althogh not as much with the big name players.



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                            [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="nhpgiantsfan"]Where is this coming from? 98 hasn't played in like ten years. Did he ever get the 4 game rip? No! So it's a non issue. Why would a Giants fan with absolutely no evidence at all come on here and attempt to tarnish the career of a fan favorite. Take a walk buddy![/quote]

                            Long offseason and I'm tired of talking about Osi. MBs may not be the place for you as there tend to be lots of varying opinions. Me, I'm in my comfort zone. I learn so much from those that
                            don't see things the way I do. I look for opposing views to help
                            grow my perpective.

                            Like I said I don't think roids tarnishes his rep. That's just my
                            opinion.[/quote]

                            I am all for varying opinions on MB's. Actually I've been on here a lot longer than you. However, I get real pissed when people come on here and troll and start rumors without one ounce of fact to back it up. Your speculation has no merit, and as a huge Armstead fan it gets me going.
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                              [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="allentown PA"][quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="RagTime Blue"]He was a good player on some very mediocre teams.

                              As for the 'roids, in this country you're innocent until proven guilty.* I see no reason Armstead's legacy should be tarnished.
                              [/quote]

                              Armstead was a great player not just good. If he didnt' get hurt he'd be a HOFer.

                              I think Roids was a part of that football era. I don't think it tarnishes any football players legacy. Roids can only add strength and decrease muscle recovery time from fatigue and some injuries. Roids never made anybody a better player. Armstead was the same player he was at Miami just way bigger.[/quote]

                              Love armstead too but even if healthy he was never going to sniff the Hall..Idk about ur point about roids not making someone a better player either.[/quote]

                              Okay you have a point but those few years of dominance he was the best thing going at OLB. Of course I'm biased.

                              I guess roids can add strength so your ability to take on double teams and make and break tackles and shed blockers is enhanced so you're probably right in that sense roids makes you a better player.

                              John Saunders had a piece on the Sports Reporters where he talks about how roids didn't ruin baseball and how the older era players had advantages that today's players don't have making the roids issue a moot point,[/quote]

                              I knew I heard he was a safety at some point too.

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