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    I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue. He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."

    I was first struck by how articulate Harry is. He explained how he was/is affected by depression. He used a post game scenario from when he played as an example. The team had won a game and everyone was "up" in the locker room. Everyone, that is, except Harry. He went to Ronnie Barnes, the trainer, and told him her was suffering from depression and Barnes asked Harry what he wanted him to do about it. Harry just wanted him to know, he said.

    He went on to explain that he has learned how to live with PCS. He also said he was not one of the former players suing the NFL as he doesn't believe they knew then what they are learning now.

    I don't know if you can get an audio clip from SIRIUS but it would be great listening for anyone wanting to know more about concussions. Harry, said he has told his daughter that he doesn't want his grandson to play football.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

    Everyone on here 5 days ago was ripping Warner a new one, yet I agree with exactly what he said. And yes, Carson is a very well spoken guy.

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      Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

      [quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue.* He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote]

      Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football.

      And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities).

      Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport.

      Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.
      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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        Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

        Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we have to realize this is a serious issue. I read posts suggesting that finding ways to make the "game" less violent/life altering somehow isn't as important as we, the fans, getting our pound of flesh every week.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

          [quote user="RoanokeFan"]Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we have to realize this is a serious issue.* I read posts suggesting that finding ways to make the "game" less violent/life altering somehow isn't as important as we, the fans, getting our pound of flesh every week.
          [/quote]

          Again ... you can choose to stop supporting it by not watching or buying football related media and paraphernalia. But if you don't, then you're just a hypocrite on this topic.

          That's not an opinion ... that's the text book definition of hypocrite.

          I applaud those people who strive to make the game safer via better equipment and rule changes. But the bottom line is that you have X amount of brain cells in your head. When you kill one, it doesn't grow back. Concussions cause brain cells to die. Full contact sports cause concussions.

          If we (meaning us as a people) were really concerned about this issue past paying lip service to it, the sport (and sports like it) would be dead.

          Tough truth ... but we're not all as evolved as we like to think.
          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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            [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue. He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




            I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




            If it was his choice, he probably wouldn'twant his kids to play football.He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose . . . . hence, it is nothis choice.




            I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.

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              Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

              [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we have to realize this is a serious issue. I read posts suggesting that finding ways to make the "game" less violent/life altering somehow isn't as important as we, the fans, getting our pound of flesh every week.
              [/quote]

              Again ... you can choose to stop supporting it by not watching or buying football related media and paraphernalia. But if you don't, then you're just a hypocrite on this topic.

              That's not an opinion ... that's the text book definition of hypocrite.

              I applaud those people who strive to make the game safer via better equipment and rule changes. But the bottom line is that you have X amount of brain cells in your head. When you kill one, it doesn't grow back. Concussions cause brain cells to die. Full contact sports cause concussions.

              If we (meaning us as a people) were really concerned about this issue past paying lip service to it, the sport (and sports like it) would be dead.

              Tough truth ... but we're not all as evolved as we like to think.[/quote]

              I'm not sure how my hoping they find a way to make the game lees life altering is hypocritical, but we all have opinions.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]

                [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue. He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




                I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




                If it was his choice, he probably wouldn'twant his kids to play football.He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose . . . . hence, it is nothis choice.




                I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.

                [/quote]

                I would love to have a chance to talk with harry about anything
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                  [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]

                  [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue.* He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




                  I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




                  If it was his choice, he probably wouldn't*want his kids to play football.**He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose* . . . .* hence, it is not*his choice.****




                  I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.*

                  [/quote]

                  Of course it's his choice ... their oldest kid is 15 (not including the two adopted ones from a previous marriage). You need parental consent to play football at that age.

                  Somehow I don't get the sense that he's all against it and his wife overrode his decision.

                  And yeah i totally agree about Harry's interview .... always a pleasure listening to him talk.
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                    Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                    [quote user="RoanokeFan"]I'm not sure how my hoping they find a way to make the game lees life altering is hypocritical, but we all have opinions.
                    [/quote]

                    Because that's like trying to find a way to get your girlfriend only a "little" pregnant after declaring how bad pregnancy is.

                    I'm not trying to pick on you specifically RF ... it's just that the whole issue about player safety revolving around a sport known, watched and loved for its brutality strikes me as a bit disengenuous.

                    Sort of like when the NFL fined and suspended James Harrison for his vicious hits while at the same time selling the video of his most vicious hits on the NFL store.
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                      [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]


                      [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue. He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




                      I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




                      If it was his choice, he probably wouldn'twant his kids to play football.He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose . . . . hence, it is nothis choice.




                      I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.




                      [/quote] Of course it's his choice ... their oldest kid is 15 (not including the two adopted ones from a previous marriage). You need parental consent to play football at that age. Somehow I don't get the sense that he's all against it and his wife overrode his decision. And yeah i totally agree about Harry's interview .... always a pleasure listening to him talk.[/quote]




                      Eh . . . . can't say that I agree about that.




                      If it were completely up to me, I wouldn't want my son to be a ballerina. But if that's what he wanted to do, I would supporthim . . . .I understand that it presents a different situation when you have a safety issue involved, but a lot of parents allow their children toparticipate in activities that the parentsthemselves have reservations about for one reason or another . . . .




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                        Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                        [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I'm not sure how my hoping they find a way to make the game lees life altering is hypocritical, but we all have opinions.
                        [/quote]

                        Because that's like trying to find a way to get your girlfriend only a "little" pregnant after declaring how bad pregnancy is.

                        I'm not trying to pick on you specifically RF ... it's just that the whole issue about player safety revolving around a sport known, watched and loved for its brutality strikes me as a bit disengenuous.

                        Sort of like when the NFL fined and suspended James Harrison for his vicious hits while at the same time selling the video of his most vicious hits on the NFL store.[/quote]

                        And yet they have taken steps to lessen the violence including a very limited number of "pads on" practices, no full contact practices, no wedge on kick off returns, etc.

                        I get the point you are trying to make, but I also think what we know now about the lasting effects of concussions has to be seriously dealt with. These 1,200+ lawsuits could be the beginning of the end of football as we know it if the plaintiffs win their cases.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                          [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]


                          [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue. He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




                          I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




                          If it was his choice, he probably wouldn'twant his kids to play football.He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose . . . . hence, it is nothis choice.




                          I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.




                          [/quote]

                          I would love to have a chance to talk with harry about anything
                          [/quote]




                          Me too.




                          For me, players like him sort of change the picture of guys suffering fromCTE, since on the outside, he is sointelligent and well-spoken, you can't imagine that he is suffering from any brain "issues".. . . .Just goes to show thatevena lot of the guys who seem to have it all together (Seau??), are really struggling with these issues.




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                            Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                            [quote user="GMENAGAIN"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]


                            [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I didn't catch the whole interview but when I tuned in Harry was talking about the concussion issue.* He agreed with Warner, and not with Toomer, explaining how his life has been affected by "Post Concussive Syndrome (PCS)."[/quote] Big difference between Harry and Kurt .... Harry didn't say he wouldn't want this children to play football ... and then let them play football. And the hypocrisy of this is astounding (both from people on these boards and the NFL personalities). Simple way to end the drama ... ban the sport. Otherwise you're just creating more hot air.[/quote]




                            I don't see how it's hyprocrytical at all.




                            If it was his choice, he probably wouldn't*want his kids to play football.**He is obviously allowing his kids to participate in whatever activities they choose* . . . .* hence, it is not*his choice.****




                            I caught some of Carson's interview on Sirius too . . . . he always does a great job on the air.*




                            [/quote] Of course it's his choice ... their oldest kid is 15 (not including the two adopted ones from a previous marriage). You need parental consent to play football at that age. Somehow I don't get the sense that he's all against it and his wife overrode his decision. And yeah i totally agree about Harry's interview .... always a pleasure listening to him talk.[/quote]




                            Eh . . . . can't say that I agree about that.




                            If it were completely up to me, I wouldn't want my son to be a ballerina.* But if that's what he wanted to do, I would support*him . . . .*I understand that it presents a different situation when you have a safety issue involved, but a lot of parents allow their children to*participate in activities that the parents*themselves have reservations about for one reason or another . . . . *




                            *

                            [/quote]

                            Well your son becoming a ballerina (as opposed to a ballet dancer) would entail a costly surgical operation.

                            As for Kurt Warners proclaimations ... the reason I had issues with them as opposed to say Harry's interview was that Harry made a point of saying that he talked with this daughter and they had agreed that her son would not be playing football (her son is two).

                            That's a conviction of purpose.

                            Kurt Warner's spiel just seems self agrandizing to me since it lacks action (and hence conviction).

                            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              Re: Harry Carson on SIRIUS this morning with Bob Papa and Ross Tucker

                              [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]I'm not sure how my hoping they find a way to make the game lees life altering is hypocritical, but we all have opinions.
                              [/quote]

                              Because that's like trying to find a way to get your girlfriend only a "little" pregnant after declaring how bad pregnancy is.

                              I'm not trying to pick on you specifically RF ... it's just that the whole issue about player safety revolving around a sport known, watched and loved for its brutality strikes me as a bit disengenuous.

                              Sort of like when the NFL fined and suspended James Harrison for his vicious hits while at the same time selling the video of his most vicious hits on the NFL store.[/quote]

                              And yet they have taken steps to lessen the violence including a very limited number of "pads on" practices, no full contact practices, no wedge on kick off returns, etc.

                              I get the point you are trying to make, but I also think what we know now about the lasting effects of concussions has to be seriously dealt with.* These 1,200+ lawsuits could be the beginning of the end of football as we know it if the plaintiffs win their cases.
                              [/quote]

                              I think the effects of repeated concussions and head traumas (keep in mind that even without a registered concussion, you have repeated head trauma by playing football) have been made more apparent to the average layman and that we know some finer details about it but this seems sort of like someone piping up now and saying "Smoking is bad for me?!".

                              The fact that the boxing industry went through this ages ago is the kicker.

                              We've known for quite awhile how bad repeated concussions and head traumas were. We chose to ignore it. And by "we" I mean me and you as the spectator, and people like Harry Carson as a player.

                              And we all ignore it because we get a visceral thrill from the game. Both playing and spectating.

                              I would think somewhere in the far future, sports like football will have no place in society. Or more appropriately, football (and UFC, boxing, hockey, etc ...) will eventually become entirely virtual.

                              Until that point however, and as I said, I do applaud those who are trying to make the game safer. And I will always cringe when I hear people jumping on the band wagon who aren't.

                              That's not directed at you .... but it is at people like Kurt Warner.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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