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    OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

    "A report surfaced on Twitter today that the Baltimore Ravens
    have offered the New York Giants a
    third-round draft pick in exchange for Osi Umenyiora.



    We have been seeing
    speculation about Umenyiora to the Ravens ever since it was announced a few days
    ago that the Ravens would be without Terrell Suggs
    for the 2012 season due to a torn Achilles Tendon. Does any of this make any
    sense? Would this be something the Giants would actually do?




    Let's take a closer look.





    From the Giants' perspective




    We speculated prior to the 2012 NFL Draft that the Giants might be willing to
    deal Umenyiora, and reports at that time indicated the belief that the Giants
    would take a third-round draft choice for the supremely talented yet perennially
    disgruntled defensive end.




    No trade happened during the draft, of course. Were there offers? We will
    never really know. If, however, the Giants did not trade Umenyiora for a draft
    pick they could have used to stock the 2012 roster why would they trade him for
    a draft pick now? That makes no sense to me.




    By now, general manager Jerry Reese is used to Umenyiora's whining. In some
    fashion it happens every offseason, and it has really just become nothing more
    than background noise.




    The Giants hold all the cards here. Umenyiora is signed to a contract for
    another year. He can certainly complain all he wants, but if he wants to get
    paid at all he has no choice but to play out the contract he signed. If he was
    going to go all Jeremy
    Shockey
    and blow up his relationship with the Giants with verbal grenades he
    would have done that by now.




    The Giants' best play at this point is to simply ride out the Umenyiora storm
    and have No. 72 in uniform -- happily or unhappily -- next fall.




    From the Ravens' perspective




    Clark Judge of CBS Sports can go on and on all he wants about how Umenyiora
    is the obvious pass-rushing choice for the Ravens to target as a
    Suggs replacement. All that does is make me question how much Clark Judge
    actually knows.




    How does Umenyiora in a Ravens' uniform make any sense at all?




    Last time I checked the Ravens play a 3-4 defense. Umenyiora is a classic 4-3
    pass-rushing defensive end. He barely acknowledges the existence of the running
    game and does an adequate at best job against it when he does try to play the
    run.




    In the 3-4, defensive ends are generally not premiere pass rushers. They are
    really glorified defensive tackles, anchoring against the run and swallowing up
    blockers to allow the linebackers behind them to make plays. That is not
    Umenyiora.




    How about Osi as a 3-4 outside linebacker? I don't see how that would work,
    either. The Giants love to drop linemen into coverage, but Umenyiora is almost
    never asked to do that. Justin Tuck, Jason
    Pierre-Paul
    , Mathias
    Kiwanuka
    , even Dave
    Tollefson
    when he was a Giant would do that at times. Umenyiora? Almost
    never.




    Heading into his ninth year in the league and with troublesome knees standing
    up and dropping into coverage is not a skill I can see Umenyiora mastering at
    this point in his career.




    Conclusion




    Maybe there is something here. Maybe the Giants would be better off to just
    cut their losses with Umenyiora and move on. Maybe the Ravens would play some
    4-3 in passing situations to accommodate Umenyiora's skills. Right now, though,
    I am not able to wrap my head around how this move would make any
    sense."


    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

    [quote user="RoanokeFan"]OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

    "A report surfaced on Twitter today that the Baltimore Ravens
    have offered the New York Giants a
    third-round draft pick in exchange for Osi Umenyiora.



    We have been seeing
    speculation about Umenyiora to the Ravens ever since it was announced a few days
    ago that the Ravens would be without Terrell Suggs
    for the 2012 season due to a torn Achilles Tendon. Does any of this make any
    sense? Would this be something the Giants would actually do?




    Let's take a closer look.





    From the Giants' perspective




    We speculated prior to the 2012 NFL Draft that the Giants might be willing to
    deal Umenyiora, and reports at that time indicated the belief that the Giants
    would take a third-round draft choice for the supremely talented yet perennially
    disgruntled defensive end.




    No trade happened during the draft, of course. Were there offers? We will
    never really know. If, however, the Giants did not trade Umenyiora for a draft
    pick they could have used to stock the 2012 roster why would they trade him for
    a draft pick now? That makes no sense to me.




    By now, general manager Jerry Reese is used to Umenyiora's whining. In some
    fashion it happens every offseason, and it has really just become nothing more
    than background noise.




    The Giants hold all the cards here. Umenyiora is signed to a contract for
    another year. He can certainly complain all he wants, but if he wants to get
    paid at all he has no choice but to play out the contract he signed. If he was
    going to go all Jeremy
    Shockey
    and blow up his relationship with the Giants with verbal grenades he
    would have done that by now.




    The Giants' best play at this point is to simply ride out the Umenyiora storm
    and have No. 72 in uniform -- happily or unhappily -- next fall.




    From the Ravens' perspective




    Clark Judge of CBS Sports can go on and on all he wants about how Umenyiora
    is the obvious pass-rushing choice for the Ravens to target as a
    Suggs replacement. All that does is make me question how much Clark Judge
    actually knows.




    How does Umenyiora in a Ravens' uniform make any sense at all?




    Last time I checked the Ravens play a 3-4 defense. Umenyiora is a classic 4-3
    pass-rushing defensive end. He barely acknowledges the existence of the running
    game and does an adequate at best job against it when he does try to play the
    run.




    In the 3-4, defensive ends are generally not premiere pass rushers. They are
    really glorified defensive tackles, anchoring against the run and swallowing up
    blockers to allow the linebackers behind them to make plays. That is not
    Umenyiora.




    How about Osi as a 3-4 outside linebacker? I don't see how that would work,
    either. The Giants love to drop linemen into coverage, but Umenyiora is almost
    never asked to do that. Justin Tuck, Jason
    Pierre-Paul
    , Mathias
    Kiwanuka
    , even Dave
    Tollefson
    when he was a Giant would do that at times. Umenyiora? Almost
    never.




    Heading into his ninth year in the league and with troublesome knees standing
    up and dropping into coverage is not a skill I can see Umenyiora mastering at
    this point in his career.




    Conclusion




    Maybe there is something here. Maybe the Giants would be better off to just
    cut their losses with Umenyiora and move on. Maybe the Ravens would play some
    4-3 in passing situations to accommodate Umenyiora's skills. Right now, though,
    I am not able to wrap my head around how this move would make any
    sense."


    [/quote] I agree 100%. if the ravens trade for osi I'm missing something. He does not fit their scheme, period.

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    • #3
      Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

      To even think about trading Osi when we have a chance to repeat (for a 3rd rounder no less!) makes me want to vomit.

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      • #4
        Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

        throw in ray ray

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        • #5
          Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

          Umenyiora for 1 year > 3rd round pick

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          • #6
            Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

            No way would i trade him for that. It will be like the 120th pick

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            • #7
              Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

              We cannot afford to lose Osi, not this season.

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              • #8
                Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.

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                • #9
                  Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                  This is getting kinda old Osi shouldnt be traded. Way to valuable especially for a 3rd round pick.

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                  • #10
                    Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                    [quote user="rainierjef"]its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.
                    [/quote]

                    I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

                    Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

                    A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

                    what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

                    I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

                    Osi for 1 year > 3rd round project


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                    • #11
                      Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                      I do not see Osi fitting into there 3-4 defense.

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                      • #12
                        Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                        Bet the Giants do it if the Ravens pony up a second round pick.


                        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                        • #13
                          Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                          If the Giants are serious about dealing Osi, it can't be for some draft pick next year, they have to get a quality player in a position of need who can start this season.
                          Osi is too much of an impact player to deal for a damned 6 pack of beer....which is what a lousy draft pick amounts to!
                          Our pass rush was instrumental in getting us through the playoffs and winning the SB, and with the loss of Tollefson and now possibly Osi...it's been greatly diminished!
                          What happenes if Kiwi or Pierre Paul goes down now that we don't have the pass rushing depth we depended on last season?
                          "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

                          John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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                          • #14
                            Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?

                            no thanks !

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                            • #15
                              Re: OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS?



                              [quote user="giantyankee1976"][quote user="rainierjef"]its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.
                              [/quote]

                              I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

                              Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

                              A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

                              what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

                              I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

                              Osi for 1 year > 3rd round project
                              [/quote]




                              I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.

                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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