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  • Is Eli the greatest playoff QB ever?

    Given this past postseason, Eli has put up a pretty impressive playoff resume.

    NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
    Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards)
    Tied for 2nd with most Superbowl MVPs (2 - tied with Brady and Terry Bradshaw, only Joe Montana has more with 3)

    That's pretty impressive, and I don't think he's done yet. My prediction is when it's all said and done, we'll be debating on if he was the greatest QB to ever take the field. The Giants did this franchise a huge favor making that trade for this guy.



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    Joe Montana

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    • #3
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      lets count em when all is said and done, but atm its Joe.
      sigpic

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        Joe, Elway, Steve Young
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          [quote user="BlueSanta"]lets count em when all is said and done, but atm its Joe.
          [/quote]

          +1

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            [quote user="B&RWarrior"]Joe, Elway, Steve Young[/quote]

            It is Joe without any question!

            Eli is better than a lot of great QBs of years past, but just not on that ridiculous of a top level. Eli may even be HOF material when it is all said and done, but unless he wins another Super Bowl, we will still have to save that kind of question for someone else.

            Montana is the best QB that I ever saw play.

            I would consider Bradshaw, Brady and Aikman as those following Montana's standard.

            I would then put Eli at this third level.

            Lastly, I would put Elway, Tarkenton, Staubach, Griese, Rothlisberger, Plunket, Starr, Warner and kelly.

            The thing about Elway, is that he was one of my all time favorites to be sure, but he had some horrible Super Bowl games. He completely chocked in his second and third tries at it. I still remember watching his game against the 9ers, and he was so horrible in that.

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            • #7
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              He was before my time, but if you are talking great playoff QBs, I'd go with Bart Starr.




              5 NFL Championships (1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967)




              2 Super Bowl Championships(SB 1 and SB 2)




              2 Super Bowl MVPs




              2nd highest playoff passer rating (104)




              http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?PLAYER_ID=200

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                [quote user="JMFP2"]Bart Starr.[/quote]

                He definitely crossed my mind, as did Otto Graham... but I don't have much respect for the days when the league was mostly segregated. I do appreciate their accomplishments and characters as athletes, but I have a hard time thinking that fans got to see the best of the best play. Much like my thoughts about baseball, anything prior to the 70s is hard to stomach for me. I would put Starr on that last group of QBs below Eli.

                I guess that another factor about those teams in the stone age, is that players were completely subjected to the absolute control by the team owners. I am very grateful for free agency, and winning two championships today is way harder than it was for the Vince Lombardi Packers of the Mesozoic period.

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                • #9
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                  [quote user="JMFP2"]


                  He was before my time, but if you are talking great playoff QBs, I'd go with Bart Starr.




                  5 NFL Championships (1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967)




                  2 Super Bowl Championships(SB 1 and SB 2)




                  2 Super Bowl MVPs




                  2nd highest playoff passer rating (104)




                  http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?PLAYER_ID=200




                  [/quote]




                  Starr is underrated as an all-time QB.




                  Arguably, Favre is only the third best QB in Packer history . . . . .

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                    [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="B&RWarrior"]Joe, Elway, Steve Young[/quote]

                    It is Joe without any question!

                    Eli is better than a lot of great QBs of years past, but just not on that ridiculous of a top level. Eli may even be HOF material when it is all said and done, but unless he wins another Super Bowl, we will still have to save that kind of question for someone else.

                    Montana is the best QB that I ever saw play.

                    I would consider Bradshaw, Brady and Aikman as those following Montana's standard.

                    I would then put Eli at this third level.

                    Lastly, I would put Elway, Tarkenton, Staubach, Griese, Rothlisberger, Plunket, Starr, Warner and kelly.

                    The thing about Elway, is that he was one of my all time favorites to be sure, but he had some horrible Super Bowl games. He completely chocked in his second and third tries at it. I still remember watching his game against the 9ers, and he was so horrible in that.
                    [/quote]

                    I would rank Eli in that second class at least.

                    Montana's playoff stats are phenomenal, I just looked them up, but so are Eli's - so I think he has a shot to catch him.

                    I was surprised by how poor Elway's were, they were still way better than most, but compared to the rest of the elite QBs not that great.

                    Eli's postseason stats are currently
                    2516 yards 17 TDs 8 INTs 61.5 completion precentage 89.3 passer rating with an 8-3 record.

                    Statistically Eli has been a better QB than Aikman as far as winning percentage, passer rating, TD/INT ratio but Aikman holds a slight edge in completion percentage.

                    I think what makes Eli's stats more impressive is that he did most of his winning on the road, against very high competition and has some moments that will go down in football lore as some of the greatest playoff/championship moments.


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                      [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="B&RWarrior"]Joe, Elway, Steve Young[/quote]

                      It is Joe without any question!

                      Eli is better than a lot of great QBs of years past, but just not on that ridiculous of a top level.* Eli may even be HOF material when it is all said and done, but unless he wins another Super Bowl, we will still have to save that kind of question for someone else.

                      Montana is the best QB that I ever saw play.*

                      I would consider Bradshaw, Brady and Aikman as those following Montana's standard.*

                      I would then put Eli at this third level.

                      Lastly, I would put Elway, Tarkenton, Staubach, Griese, Rothlisberger, Plunket, Starr, Warner and kelly.

                      The thing about Elway, is that he was one of my all time favorites to be sure, but he had some horrible Super Bowl games.* He completely chocked in his second and third tries at it.* I still remember watching his game against the 9ers, and he was so horrible in that.
                      [/quote]
                      A nice analysis, but you've got to get Fran off that list. He was in his 13th year before he even sniffed a playoff game, and the Vikings reached the playoffs in Fran's twilight years because of their Defense... not because of Fran. He was 7-6 in the playoffs, and lost 3 SB's.
                      In those SB's he was 45 for 100 and threw zero TDs.
                      He is the only QB on your list who never won a SB

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                        [quote user="FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts"][quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="B&RWarrior"]Joe, Elway, Steve Young[/quote]

                        It is Joe without any question!

                        Eli is better than a lot of great QBs of years past, but just not on that ridiculous of a top level. Eli may even be HOF material when it is all said and done, but unless he wins another Super Bowl, we will still have to save that kind of question for someone else.

                        Montana is the best QB that I ever saw play.

                        I would consider Bradshaw, Brady and Aikman as those following Montana's standard.

                        I would then put Eli at this third level.

                        Lastly, I would put Elway, Tarkenton, Staubach, Griese, Rothlisberger, Plunket, Starr, Warner and kelly.

                        The thing about Elway, is that he was one of my all time favorites to be sure, but he had some horrible Super Bowl games. He completely chocked in his second and third tries at it. I still remember watching his game against the 9ers, and he was so horrible in that.
                        [/quote]

                        I would rank Eli in that second class at least.

                        Montana's playoff stats are phenomenal, I just looked them up, but so are Eli's - so I think he has a shot to catch him.

                        I was surprised by how poor Elway's were, they were still way better than most, but compared to the rest of the elite QBs not that great.

                        Eli's postseason stats are currently
                        2516 yards 17 TDs 8 INTs 61.5 completion precentage 89.3 passer rating with an 8-3 record.

                        Statistically Eli has been a better QB than Aikman as far as winning percentage, passer rating, TD/INT ratio but Aikman holds a slight edge in completion percentage.

                        I think what makes Eli's stats more impressive is that he did most of his winning on the road, against very high competition and has some moments that will go down in football lore as some of the greatest playoff/championship moments.


                        [/quote]




                        That Panthers game seems like a million years ago.

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                          [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="JMFP2"]Bart Starr.[/quote]

                          He definitely crossed my mind, as did Otto Graham... but I don't have much respect for the days when the league was mostly segregated. I do appreciate their accomplishments and characters as athletes, but I have a hard time thinking that fans got to see the best of the best play. Much like my thoughts about baseball, anything prior to the 70s is hard to stomach for me. I would put Starr on that last group of QBs below Eli.

                          I guess that another factor about those teams in the stone age, is that players were completely subjected to the absolute control by the team owners. I am very grateful for free agency, and winning two championships today is way harder than it was for the Vince Lombardi Packers of the Mesozoic period.
                          [/quote]




                          Lombardi was ahead of his time when it came to racial integration.....I'm sure that's one of the reasons his teams dominated.




                          http://voices.yahoo.com/vince-lombar...y-6170558.html




                          Anyway, I'll stick by Starr as the best playoff QB in NFL history.




                          If we change it to "modern era", then I'm going with Joe Montana.




                          I think we can argue Eli Manning is the best playoff QB in the game today, though....the only other guys I can think of - Brady, Rodgers, Brees - all fell short this season. And Eli is 2-0 v. Brady's Patriots.




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                            [quote user="JMFP2"]

                            [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="JMFP2"]Bart Starr.[/quote]

                            He definitely crossed my mind, as did Otto Graham... but I don't have much respect for the days when the league was mostly segregated.* I do appreciate their accomplishments and characters as athletes, but I have a hard time thinking that fans got to see the best of the best play.* Much like my thoughts about baseball, anything prior to the 70s is hard to stomach for me.* I would put Starr on that last group of QBs below Eli.

                            I guess that another factor about those teams in the stone age, is that players were completely subjected to the absolute control by the team owners.* I am very grateful for free agency, and winning two championships today is way harder than it was for the Vince Lombardi Packers of the Mesozoic period.
                            [/quote]




                            Lombardi was ahead of his time when it came to racial integration.....I'm sure that's one of the reasons his teams dominated.




                            http://voices.yahoo.com/vince-lombar...y-6170558.html




                            Anyway, I'll stick by Starr as the best playoff QB in NFL history.




                            If we change it to "modern era", then I'm going with Joe Montana.




                            I think we can argue Eli Manning is the best playoff QB in the game today, though....the only other guys I can think of - Brady, Rodgers, Brees - all fell short this season.* And Eli is 2-0 v. Brady's Patriots.




                            *

                            [/quote]
                            You're right about Lombardi, he only cared about your talent... but it was more that others were behind the times in integrating.
                            Jackie broke the barrier in '47. Baseball integrated far faster than basketball or football because hoops and football drafted from college players while baseball had mostly high school grads in minor league ball, There simply weren't the numbers of blacks playing division 1 ball until the late 60's. A big help was when the all black Texas Western team beat an all white Kentucky team for the NCAA hoops title in '66. Suddenly all the college recruiters were combing the basketball playgrounds in NY city, and Philly, etc.

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                              [quote user="JMFP2"]

                              [quote user="Bohemian"][quote user="JMFP2"]Bart Starr.[/quote]

                              He definitely crossed my mind, as did Otto Graham... but I don't have much respect for the days when the league was mostly segregated. I do appreciate their accomplishments and characters as athletes, but I have a hard time thinking that fans got to see the best of the best play. Much like my thoughts about baseball, anything prior to the 70s is hard to stomach for me. I would put Starr on that last group of QBs below Eli.

                              I guess that another factor about those teams in the stone age, is that players were completely subjected to the absolute control by the team owners. I am very grateful for free agency, and winning two championships today is way harder than it was for the Vince Lombardi Packers of the Mesozoic period.
                              [/quote]




                              Lombardi was ahead of his time when it came to racial integration.....I'm sure that's one of the reasons his teams dominated.




                              http://voices.yahoo.com/vince-lombar...y-6170558.html




                              Anyway, I'll stick by Starr as the best playoff QB in NFL history.




                              If we change it to "modern era", then I'm going with Joe Montana.




                              I think we can argue Eli Manning is the best playoff QB in the game today, though....the only other guys I can think of - Brady, Rodgers, Brees - all fell short this season. And Eli is 2-0 v. Brady's Patriots.




                              [/quote]

                              I definitely agree with giving praise to Lombardi's winning ethics, and his ability to overlook the racial barrier in contrast to the rest of the league. But I really think that the true credit goes to the AFL for pushing the envelope.

                              I hate beating on the old school teams, but it is so hard to overlook the fact that African American players did not truly get a shot until the 70s rolled around, and for that reason I can't take that ere too seriously. I love Lombardi, Starr and his packers, but I rather love the Iron Curtain and Bradshaw. Me and my dad have the same talk all the time about baseball. Being from a baseball nation, or 'beisbol' as we like to call it, he tells me about the negro league players that played outside of their home country just because of the colour of their skin. In countries like Cuba, Dominican Republic and Venezuela, we certainly became beneficiaries of having such amazing talent teach us the game. In fact, my father's baseball coach for most of his youth was a former negro leaguer. I love NFL history, but there are some things that can't be overlooked.

                              So at least we can agree: Joe Montana at #1

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