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  • We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

    Why trade Osi?
    Keep him and let him go after 2012.
    We would get a high compensatory pick (third round) anyway when he signs with another team.
    Trade him now for a third or fourth round pick makes no sense.
    Keep him because he knows the more he produces, the more he will make next year with his new team.
    That current production makes the Giants better this year.
    Besides, the Giants would get equal trade value down the road.
    UNLESS?
    Oh yes.
    Unless a team wants to give up a number one or two.
    Forget the number one.
    We'll see.

  • #2
    Re: We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

    Agreed with your post until the part that you say that we should trade him for a number 2.

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    • #3
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      [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]Agreed with your post until the part that you say that we should trade him for a number 2.[/quote]




      I'd jump on a 2nd rounder and never look back.




      Some of you folks are forgetting the other benefit of trading Osi. We free up about $5MM in cap space which is precious to us given our cap situation.




      Don't forget we are paying our 3rd DE almost $5MM. Is that a good use of money when we have JPP at right DE? Not to mention Kiwi.




      Just asking.

      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • #4
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        I'd take a number 2 easy. It won't happen though.
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #5
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          Wouldnt trade him for anything less then a #1, and the Giants won't either. Osi's value for us next season is more then a 1st round pick. We have a shot to repeat. Without Osi, we lose a significant part of our defense.

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          • #6
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            [quote user="Morehead State"]


            [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]Agreed with your post until the part that you say that we should trade him for a number 2.[/quote]




            I'd jump on a 2nd rounder and never look back.




            Some of you folks are forgetting the other benefit of trading Osi. We free up about $5MM in cap space which is precious to us given our cap situation.




            Don't forget we are paying our 3rd DE almost $5MM. Is that a good use of money when we have JPP at right DE? Not to mention Kiwi.




            Just asking.




            [/quote]




            To me it doesn't make sense to get rid of Osi to free up $5M in cap space when there is no way of getting a pass rusher of his caliber for that amount . . . . i.e., his performance is worth much more than the cap savings.




            Are you saying that Os's pay for this year is too much????? Because IMO it really can't be disputed that his pay for this year is extremely team-friendly.




            Whether Osi is a starter or a 3rd DE doesn't even matter in our system. The entire system depends on having a deep group of pass rushers so that we canrush the passer with relatively freshbodies throughout the game. If we get rid of Osi, we lose a lot of depth.




            The only way that I would get rid of him this year is if he became such an unbearable headache ala Shockey . . . . and I don't see that happening.







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            • #7
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              [quote user="TuckYou"]Wouldnt trade him for anything less then a #1, and the Giants won't either. Osi's value for us next season is more then a 1st round pick. We have a shot to repeat. Without Osi, we lose a significant part of our defense.[/quote]

              He's not worth more than a first rounder. He's 31 years old and he is a part time player. First round means you have a legitimate shot at drafting a player that has potential to be a star on your team for the next ten years.

              Especially in light of the fact we have Kiwi we won't fall off that much in terms of pass rush presence. Kiwi is almost as good versus the pass and better versus the run.

              If a team puts up a 1st rounder for Osi you take it and runaway before they change their mind.
              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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              • #8
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                [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="TuckYou"]Wouldnt trade him for anything less then a #1, and the Giants won't either. Osi's value for us next season is more then a 1st round pick. We have a shot to repeat. Without Osi, we lose a significant part of our defense.[/quote]

                He's not worth more than a first rounder. He's 31 years old and he is a part time player. First round means you have a legitimate shot at drafting a player that has potential to be a star on your team for the next ten years.

                Especially in light of the fact we have Kiwi we won't fall off that much in terms of pass rush presence. Kiwi is almost as good versus the pass and better versus the run.

                If a team puts up a 1st rounder for Osi you take it and runaway before they change their mind.[/quote]

                He's only a part-time player on the Giants. Even with his mediocre run support he'd be a 3 down player on almost every other team.

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                • #9
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                  [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="TuckYou"]Wouldnt trade him for anything less then a #1, and the Giants won't either. Osi's value for us next season is more then a 1st round pick. We have a shot to repeat. Without Osi, we lose a significant part of our defense.[/quote] He's not worth more than a first rounder. He's 31 years old and he is a part time player. First round means you have a legitimate shot at drafting a player that has potential to be a star on your team for the next ten years. Especially in light of the fact we have Kiwi we won't fall off that much in terms of pass rush presence. Kiwi is almost as good versus the pass and better versus the run. If a team puts up a 1st rounder for Osi you take it and runaway before they change their mind.[/quote]







                  Kiwi does not have the body of work at DE to be considered comparable to Osi.




                  Osi is the best pass rusher on the team and one of the best in the league. I am not talking about him being compared as a complete DE. But strictly as a pass rusher, there arent many better than him in the NFL.. We built our 2 championships on our pass rush. We need to keep Osi.

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                  • #10
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                    i agree with keeping him, but can't bank on the compensatory pick ... i expect him to be a beast next season and honestly we need him ... Tuck's been banged up the last few seasons and Tolly is gone

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                    • #11
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                      [quote user="nhpgiantsfan"]

                      [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="TuckYou"]Wouldnt trade him for anything less then a #1, and the Giants won't either. Osi's value for us next season is more then a 1st round pick. We have a shot to repeat. Without Osi, we lose a significant part of our defense.[/quote] He's not worth more than a first rounder. He's 31 years old and he is a part time player. First round means you have a legitimate shot at drafting a player that has potential to be a star on your team for the next ten years. Especially in light of the fact we have Kiwi we won't fall off that much in terms of pass rush presence. Kiwi is almost as good versus the pass and better versus the run. If a team puts up a 1st rounder for Osi you take it and runaway before they change their mind.[/quote]




                      *




                      Kiwi does not have the body of work at DE to be considered comparable to Osi.




                      Osi is the best pass rusher on the team and one of the best in the league.* I am not talking about him being compared as a complete DE.* But strictly as a pass rusher, there arent many better than him in the NFL..* We built our 2 championships on our pass rush.* We need to keep Osi.

                      [/quote]

                      We've seen Kiwi rush the passer with his hand in the dirt plenty. He's not as good as Osi. He doesn't really have an inside move. He's not as strong as Osi. He has an above average edge rush move. Kiwi play's the run with better technique.

                      If they asked me would you trade Osi for Wilson I'd make that trade in heartbeat. Osi is gone after this year. He has no value past this year. He wants to start and make starters money. We can't do it. We already resigned Kiwi. We're going to pay JPP. To resign Osi means we have 3 big contracts at RDE.

                      The workout bonus in Kiwi's contract makes me think we are going to move him to DE. Kiwi would need to get stronger to play full time DE at a high level.
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • #12
                        Re: We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

                        Many valid points!

                        The one thing that stands out to me is the
                        fact that Osi for 2012 would have to play real hard with FA in 2013.

                        He has to sustain his value by showing himself. Meaning he can't stay on the stationary bike much at all.

                        J. Reese hold all the cards on him.
                        Osi has to play and play well.

                        A 2nd round pick? Not gonna happen.

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                        • #13
                          Re: We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

                          We're trying to repeat, so it makes no sense at all to me in trading one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. No sense at all.

                          Kiwi is no Osi. I would rather have spent that money trying to resign Osi.

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                          • #14
                            Re: We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

                            [quote user="GMENAGAIN"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                            [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]Agreed with your post until the part that you say that we should trade him for a number 2.[/quote]




                            I'd jump on a 2nd rounder and never look back.




                            Some of you folks are forgetting the other benefit of trading Osi. We free up about $5MM in cap space which is precious to us given our cap situation.




                            Don't forget we are paying our 3rd DE almost $5MM. Is that a good use of money when we have JPP at right DE? Not to mention Kiwi.




                            Just asking.




                            [/quote]




                            To me it doesn't make sense to get rid of Osi to free up $5M in cap space when there is no way of getting a pass rusher of his caliber for that amount . . . . i.e., his performance is worth much more than the cap savings.




                            Are you saying that Os's pay for this year is too much????? Because IMO it really can't be disputed that his pay for this year is extremely team-friendly.




                            Whether Osi is a starter or a 3rd DE doesn't even matter in our system. The entire system depends on having a deep group of pass rushers so that we canrush the passer with relatively freshbodies throughout the game. If we get rid of Osi, we lose a lot of depth.




                            The only way that I would get rid of him this year is if he became such an unbearable headache ala Shockey . . . . and I don't see that happening.










                            [/quote]




                            We have a pass rusher of his caliber right now. His name is Pierre-Paul. We move him out of position in order to accomodate Osi on passing downs.




                            JPP is a better player now than Osi has ever been. Now Osi is nearing (or at) the twilight of his career.




                            JPP may end up as one of the gretest DE's in NFL history before its all said and done.

                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • #15
                              Re: We Would Get More For Osi By Keeping Him, Unless ...

                              why would we get anything after 2012? teams would let him hit FA.

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