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    NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

    "Here are three things we learned last week during the New York Giants
    OTAs.

    1. Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
      Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
      torn ACL of Brian
      Witherspoon
      and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
      both suffered in non-competitive drills.
    2. David Diehl will
      play right tackle and Kevin Boothe
      will begin as the starting left guard. Maybe Mitch Petrus
      can take that spot away from Boothe, but installing Boothe in that spot is
      typical of the Giants. Tom Coughlin is nothing if not loyal to players who are
      successful for him.
    3. Running back might be the most interesting
      position to watch unfold throughout the preseason. Ahmad
      Bradshaw
      and first-round pick David Wilson
      are locks. Fullback Henry
      Hynoski
      should also be a lock -- and might have a bigger role in the
      offense. But, the competition between DJ Ware, Da'Rel Scott,
      Andre Brown and
      Joe Martinek
      will be fun to watch as it unfolds."
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

    [quote user="RoanokeFan"]
    Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
    Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
    torn ACL of Brian
    Witherspoon
    and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
    both suffered in non-competitive drills.[/quote]

    I think the writer doesn't really understand Roger Goodell's goal. Sure eliminating injuries is partially responsible for 'soft practices' but I feel that he is trying to prevent things like concussions, that can have a lasting effect on someone, and could cause major problems post-career, for example all the players who committed suicide due to depression (RIP), which besides the obvious moral reasons one would try to eliminate those things, there is the legal problems, that the nfl does not want to face, in the future. I hardly think the NFL is too worried about torn acl's in practice as much as the potentially post-career damaging injuries that some of the players face.

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    • #3
      Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

      [quote user="IamGiantsfan"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]
      Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
      Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
      torn ACL of Brian
      Witherspoon
      and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
      both suffered in non-competitive drills.[/quote]

      I think the writer doesn't really understand Roger Goodell's goal. Sure eliminating injuries is partially responsible for 'soft practices' but I feel that he is trying to prevent things like concussions, that can have a lasting effect on someone, and could cause major problems post-career, for example all the players who committed suicide due to depression (RIP), which besides the obvious moral reasons one would try to eliminate those things, there is the legal problems, that the nfl does not want to face, in the future. I hardly think the NFL is too worried about torn acl's in practice as much as the potentially post-career damaging injuries that some of the players face.[/quote]

      Interesting point, but how many NFL concussions have occurred during pre season, historically? I'm not sure your point about "Goodell's goal" for pre season practice is any more valid than Valentine's.

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      • #4
        Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

        [quote user="gmen46"][quote user="IamGiantsfan"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]
        Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
        Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
        torn ACL of Brian
        Witherspoon
        and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
        both suffered in non-competitive drills.[/quote]

        I think the writer doesn't really understand Roger Goodell's goal. Sure eliminating injuries is partially responsible for 'soft practices' but I feel that he is trying to prevent things like concussions, that can have a lasting effect on someone, and could cause major problems post-career, for example all the players who committed suicide due to depression (RIP), which besides the obvious moral reasons one would try to eliminate those things, there is the legal problems, that the nfl does not want to face, in the future. I hardly think the NFL is too worried about torn acl's in practice as much as the potentially post-career damaging injuries that some of the players face.[/quote]

        Interesting point, but how many NFL concussions have occurred during pre season, historically? I'm not sure your point about "Goodell's goal" for pre season practice is any more valid than Valentine's.[/quote]
        Statistically, across all levels of play, more concussions happen in practice than in game.

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        • #5
          Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

          It seems like Commissioner Roger Goodell is the Anti NFL because his actions look like it wants to mess up the NFL. Soon or later no sacks from behind or just get rid of them completely.

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          • #6
            Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

            [quote user="RoanokeFan"]NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE:* DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

            "Here are three things we learned last week during the New York Giants
            OTAs.

            1. Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
              Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
              torn ACL of Brian
              Witherspoon
              and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
              both suffered in non-competitive drills.
            2. David Diehl will
              play right tackle and Kevin Boothe
              will begin as the starting left guard. Maybe Mitch Petrus
              can take that spot away from Boothe, but installing Boothe in that spot is
              typical of the Giants. Tom Coughlin is nothing if not loyal to players who are
              successful for him.
            3. Running back might be the most interesting
              position to watch unfold throughout the preseason. Ahmad
              Bradshaw
              and first-round pick David Wilson
              are locks. Fullback Henry
              Hynoski
              should also be a lock -- and might have a bigger role in the
              offense. But, the competition between DJ Ware, Da'Rel Scott,
              Andre Brown and
              Joe Martinek
              will be fun to watch as it unfolds."
            [/quote]Also id say RR is a lock with the Nicks injury. I think he was a shoe in prior to the injury anyway
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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            • #7
              Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

              [quote user="IamGiantsfan"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]
              Injuries will happen regardless of how soft
              Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the
              torn ACL of Brian
              Witherspoon
              and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks,
              both suffered in non-competitive drills.[/quote]

              I think the writer doesn't really understand Roger Goodell's goal. Sure eliminating injuries is partially responsible for 'soft practices' but I feel that he is trying to prevent things like concussions, that can have a lasting effect on someone, and could cause major problems post-career, for example all the players who committed suicide due to depression (RIP), which besides the obvious moral reasons one would try to eliminate those things, there is the legal problems, that the nfl does not want to face, in the future. I hardly think the NFL is too worried about torn acl's in practice as much as the potentially post-career damaging injuries that some of the players face.[/quote]

              Man, I was just about to rant on the same thing. It is amazing how many former and current players dislike this guy as well as other sports people. He cannot catch a break. His goal most assuredly in the end comes to money, however sometimes that is a good motivator to do good things.

              There is a current large crop of former NFL players that are suing the NFL for concussions and brain injuries they received well before Goodell was even thought about as a Commissioner. Many happened when the beloved Tagliabue was the Commissioner. Goodell has constantly changed equipment, changed rules or even called the enforcement of rules that had always been there in the name of mitigating(he knows they will not be totally prevented)specific injuries.

              It is dopes like James Harrison that will be suing the NFL when his time comes, yet Goodell has been on his *** trying to change his ways. From what I've seen Goodell came into his office on fire. One of his first acts was dealing wih Pacman Jones but also remember him pulling Brady Quinn to a room so he wouldn't continue to be a spectacle when he was thought to be drafted in the top 10.

              The guy cannot catch a break.

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              • #8
                Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?



                [quote user="Drez"][quote user="gmen46"][quote user="IamGiantsfan"][quote user="RoanokeFan"] Injuries will happen regardless of how soft Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to make practices for NFL teams. Witness the torn ACL of Brian Witherspoon and the broken foot of Hakeem Nicks, both suffered in non-competitive drills.[/quote] I think the writer doesn't really understand Roger Goodell's goal. Sure eliminating injuries is partially responsible for 'soft practices' but I feel that he is trying to prevent things like concussions, that can have a lasting effect on someone, and could cause major problems post-career, for example all the players who committed suicide due to depression (RIP), which besides the obvious moral reasons one would try to eliminate those things, there is the legal problems, that the nfl does not want to face, in the future. I hardly think the NFL is too worried about torn acl's in practice as much as the potentially post-career damaging injuries that some of the players face.[/quote] Interesting point, but how many NFL concussions have occurred during pre season, historically? I'm not sure your point about "Goodell's goal" for pre season practice is any more valid than Valentine's.[/quote]
                Statistically, across all levels of play, more concussions happen in practice than in game.
                [/quote]




                Link?




                Cn't imagine that is true now in the NFL given how much they have limited the amount of live hitting in practices . . . .

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                • #9
                  Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                  working to eliminate concussions in a sport where 300+ pound men run around at top speed hitting each other is an admirable goal, good luck with that..

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                  • #10
                    Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                    [quote user="JesseJames"]working to eliminate concussions in a sport where 300+ pound men run around at top speed hitting each other is an admirable goal, good luck with that..[/quote]

                    The difficulty of the task doesn't make the goal any less meaningful or necessary.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • #11
                      Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                      lol, now back to the point of your thread, I think RB is the most fascinating battle shaping up and I believe that Scott and Martinek will emerge as the winners. The OL is less scary than it has been recently and I believe that we are assembling some good depth as well. I think the "starter" label is less significant with the LB's because PF will us situational substitutions where we may play 5 or even 6 linebackers during a game. Can't wait to get this season rolling! Go Blue!!
                      No one remembers who came in second.

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                      • #12
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                        [quote user="jomo"]lol, now back to the point of your thread, I think RB is the most fascinating battle shaping up and I believe that Scott and Martinek will emerge as the winners. The OL is less scary than it has been recently and I believe that we are assembling some good depth as well. I think the "starter" label is less significant with the LB's because PF will us situational substitutions where we may play 5 or even 6 linebackers during a game. Can't wait to get this season rolling! Go Blue!![/quote]

                        The battle between Scott and Wilson will come down to who can control their fumbling issues better. I know that our coaching staff are veterans at coaching fumblitis out of our RB's, so it's just a matter of when each RB can be reliable with ball security.

                        I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                        • #13
                          Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                          [quote user="Toadofsteel"][quote user="jomo"]lol, now back to the point of your thread, I think RB is the most fascinating battle shaping up and I believe that Scott and Martinek will emerge as the winners. The OL is less scary than it has been recently and I believe that we are assembling some good depth as well. I think the "starter" label is less significant with the LB's because PF will us situational substitutions where we may play 5 or even 6 linebackers during a game. Can't wait to get this season rolling! Go Blue!![/quote]

                          The battle between Scott and Wilson will come down to who can control their fumbling issues better. I know that our coaching staff are veterans at coaching fumblitis out of our RB's, so it's just a matter of when each RB can be reliable with ball security.[/quote]I see Wilson as the clear #2 right now but there will be competition. If he can't hang onto the ball, he will move down the depth chart.
                          No one remembers who came in second.

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                          • #14
                            Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                            [quote user="jomo"][quote user="Toadofsteel"][quote user="jomo"]lol, now back to the point of your thread, I think RB is the most fascinating battle shaping up and I believe that Scott and Martinek will emerge as the winners. The OL is less scary than it has been recently and I believe that we are assembling some good depth as well. I think the "starter" label is less significant with the LB's because PF will us situational substitutions where we may play 5 or even 6 linebackers during a game. Can't wait to get this season rolling! Go Blue!![/quote]

                            The battle between Scott and Wilson will come down to who can control their fumbling issues better. I know that our coaching staff are veterans at coaching fumblitis out of our RB's, so it's just a matter of when each RB can be reliable with ball security.[/quote]I see Wilson as the clear #2 right now but there will be competition. If he can't hang onto the ball, he will move down the depth chart.[/quote]

                            Nothing gets a player into TC's dog house faster than fumbling the ball. A fate hard to recover from.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #15
                              Re: NY GIANTS' OTA'S RETROSPECTIVE: DID WE LEARN ANYTHING?

                              [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="jomo"][quote user="Toadofsteel"][quote user="jomo"]lol, now back to the point of your thread, I think RB is the most fascinating battle shaping up and I believe that Scott and Martinek will emerge as the winners. The OL is less scary than it has been recently and I believe that we are assembling some good depth as well. I think the "starter" label is less significant with the LB's because PF will us situational substitutions where we may play 5 or even 6 linebackers during a game. Can't wait to get this season rolling! Go Blue!![/quote]

                              The battle between Scott and Wilson will come down to who can control their fumbling issues better. I know that our coaching staff are veterans at coaching fumblitis out of our RB's, so it's just a matter of when each RB can be reliable with ball security.[/quote]I see Wilson as the clear #2 right now but there will be competition. If he can't hang onto the ball, he will move down the depth chart.[/quote]

                              Nothing gets a player into TC's dog house faster than fumbling the ball.* A fate hard to recover from.
                              [/quote]

                              At least even in the dog house, TC will work with you. You won't see any snaps in a game, but you'll get a lot of coaching on fixing the problem. That right there is what TC is about...

                              I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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