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    The Giants waived Ballard in order to make room on the 90 man roster for Rocky Bernard. Now they're upset that the Patriots claimed him. I get that they thought no one would claim Ballard because he was injured, but why didn't they just waive someone they were willing to lose in order to make room for Bernard? I took a look at the 90 man roster. There are a whole bunch of guys on it that didn't play a down for the Giants last year and most of them won't even make the team this year (like Ryan Purvis, Isaiah Stanback, and Brian Witherspoon just to name a few). They should have waived one of those guys. No one would have claimed them, and if they did, so what?

  • #2
    Re: Why not waive someone else?

    I'm sure they wished they had.

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    • #3
      Re: Why not waive someone else?

      I think it's because of the new cba in which you have to waive someone before they go on IR. or something like that...

      Still, could have waived witherspoon in that case... or better yet, Antuan Molden. No way the pats would claim him off waivers, seeing as how they just released him and all...

      I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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      • #4
        Re: Why not waive someone else?

        We did not waive Ballard to sign Rocky.

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        • #5
          Re: Why not waive someone else?

          [quote user="Toadofsteel"]I think it's because of the new cba in which you have to waive someone before they go on IR. or something like that...[/quote]They could have put him straight on IR and not risked losing him. What waiving him does is take him off the 90-man roster before putting him on the IR. But that plan backfired.

          Like I said in a post yesterday, about 40% of that 90 man roster will be gone within 12 weeks. I bet Coughlin could have easily found 20 guys he'd rather have gotten rid of.

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          • #6
            Re: Why not waive someone else?



            maybe something to do with the 540 k he was due ? not sure, I can't find anything solid waived player pay rights







            edit what I'm reading is they only get the guaranteed money which I believe he had none of I may be wrong tho




            he was a non- vested player so he would have had to clear waivers had they waived/cut him at any point...he would have had to be on the 90 man roster to be safe and then I think you have to pay him the 540k....the move could have been all about saving a roster spot also....anyhow




            also from what I've read this move almost allwaysworks ...BB was the fly in the ointment

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            • #7
              Re: Why not waive someone else?

              [quote user="Giants10Joe"]The Giants waived Ballard in order to make room on the 90 man roster for Rocky Bernard. Now they're upset that the Patriots claimed him. I get that they thought no one would claim Ballard because he was injured, but why didn't they just waive someone they were willing to lose in order to make room for Bernard? I took a look at the 90 man roster. There are a whole bunch of guys on it that didn't play a down for the Giants last year and most of them won't even make the team this year (like Ryan Purvis, Isaiah Stanback, and Brian Witherspoon just to name a few). They should have waived one of those guys. No one would have claimed them, and if they did, so what?
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              Ballard was waived because he is not gong to play this season, It;'s a procedural moved that 99% of the time results in the player released being resigned to IR. This time Belichick saw an opportunity to screw with Coughlin and he took it.

              Signing Bernard had nothing to do with Ballard other than there was a open spot.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #8
                Re: Why not waive someone else?

                [quote user="byron"]

                maybe something to do with the 540 k he was due ? not sure, I can't find anything solid waived player pay rights




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                edit what I'm reading is they only get the guaranteed money which I believe he had none of I may be wrong tho




                he was a non- vested player so he would have had to clear waivers had they waived/cut him at any point...he would have had to be on the 90 man roster to be safe and then I think you have to pay him the 540k....the move could have been all about saving a roster spot also....anyhow*

                [/quote]Saving a roster spot is exactly what it was about. I can understand wanting to save a roster spot when you're down to, say 50-something men and you have to trim it to 53. Those last few cuts are agony for coaches and GM's.

                What frustrates me the most about this situation is there are NINETY guys currently on the roster, including 17 rookies. It would have been mind-bogglingly easy to find one of those 90 who really doesn't have a chance of making the team and waiving him instead.

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                • #9
                  Re: Why not waive someone else?

                  [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="Giants10Joe"]The Giants waived Ballard in order to make room on the 90 man roster for Rocky Bernard. Now they're upset that the Patriots claimed him. I get that they thought no one would claim Ballard because he was injured, but why didn't they just waive someone they were willing to lose in order to make room for Bernard? I took a look at the 90 man roster. There are a whole bunch of guys on it that didn't play a down for the Giants last year and most of them won't even make the team this year (like Ryan Purvis, Isaiah Stanback, and Brian Witherspoon just to name a few). They should have waived one of those guys. No one would have claimed them, and if they did, so what?
                  [/quote]

                  Ballard was waived because he is not gong to play this season, It;'s a procedural moved that 99% of the time results in the player released being resigned to IR. This time Belichick saw an opportunity to screw with Coughlin and he took it.

                  Signing Bernard had nothing to do with Ballard other than there was a open spot.
                  [/quote] yeah

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why not waive someone else?

                    [quote user="Simmsy"][quote user="byron"]


                    maybe something to do with the 540 k he was due ? not sure, I can't find anything solid waived player pay rights







                    edit what I'm reading is they only get the guaranteed money which I believe he had none of I may be wrong tho




                    he was a non- vested player so he would have had to clear waivers had they waived/cut him at any point...he would have had to be on the 90 man roster to be safe and then I think you have to pay him the 540k....the move could have been all about saving a roster spot also....anyhow




                    [/quote]Saving a roster spot is exactly what it was about. I can understand wanting to save a roster spot when you're down to, say 50-something men and you have to trim it to 53. What frustrates me the most about this situation is there are NINETY guys currently on the roster, including 17 rookies. It would have been mind-bogglingly easy to find one of those 90 who really doesn't have a chance of making the team and waiving him instead.[/quote]yeah I hear ya like RF says 99% of the time the player makes it through...enter BB...




                    they wish they had done different now it seems ....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why not waive someone else?

                      I think the Giants took a calculated risk knowing that Ballard would not play in 2012, and probably would not be fully recovered in 2013. Given that Ballard's speed was always on the slow side even for a big TE, there's a pretty good possibility that he would lose some of the little speed he had. Jake had good hands and a good feel for the seams in defenses; but if he got any slower even the worst LBers in the league would be able to cover him. I just think it came down to Jake being an easy guy to replace, and upgrade the position.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why not waive someone else?

                        [quote user="NorwoodBlue"]I think the Giants took a calculated risk knowing that Ballard would not play in 2012, and probably would not be fully recovered in 2013. Given that Ballard's speed was always on the slow side even for a big TE, there's a pretty good possibility that he would lose some of the little speed he had. Jake had good hands and a good feel for the seams in defenses; but if he got any slower even the worst LBers in the league would be able to cover him. I just think it came down to Jake being an easy guy to replace, and upgrade the position.
                        [/quote]

                        The Patriots needed a non-playing TE like a fish needs a bicycle.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why not waive someone else?

                          [quote user="Drez"]We did not waive Ballard to sign Rocky.
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                          I've read in some places that the two moves were related because somebody needed to be removed from the 90 man roster to make room for Bernard. Maybe the articles I read that said that were wrong, or maybe Reese planned to waive Ballard anyway and the timing just worked out well so he wouldn't have to waive a healthy player to sign Bernard.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why not waive someone else?

                            I'm starting to miss all the Osi threads.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why not waive someone else?

                              Threads like these happen on nights when the Mets have a matinee and the Yanks are off.

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