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  • Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

    I actually think it could be very realistic. If Rogers makes this team and can provide a nice anchor. Lets take a look at the surrounding cast..

    DLine - Canty (3-4 in Dallas)
    JPP (can do anything)
    Austin (Explosive, with a quick start)
    Tuck (ultra versitile)
    Joseph (seems to be more of a 4-3 guy)
    Osi (Probably not a good fit for a 3-4)
    Bernard (4-3 guy)

    LB - Kiwi (Great fit, experience at both LB/DE)
    Boley (extremely versitile, might be MLB)
    Rivers (Athletic enough to play all posit.)
    JWill (Great athlete and good coverage)
    Herz (Superb tackler, working on cover)
    Chase (same as Herz)
    Jones (good tackler, not great in cover)
    Tracy (Great pass rushing ability)
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  • #2
    Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

    This idea keeps coming back every offseason, and every year someone has to step in and say no, it won't happen this year or any time soon.

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    • #3
      Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

      This idea keeps coming back every offseason, and every year someone has to step in and say no, it won't happen this year or any time soon.

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      • #4
        Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

        [quote user="Shockeyitus"]I actually think it could be very realistic. If Rogers makes this team and can provide a nice anchor. Lets take a look at the surrounding cast..

        DLine - Canty (3-4 in Dallas)
        JPP (can do anything)
        Austin (Explosive, with a quick start)
        Tuck (ultra versitile)
        Joseph (seems to be more of a 4-3 guy)
        Osi (Probably not a good fit for a 3-4)
        Bernard (4-3 guy)

        LB - Kiwi (Great fit, experience at both LB/DE)
        Boley (extremely versitile, might be MLB)
        Rivers (Athletic enough to play all posit.)
        JWill (Great athlete and good coverage)
        Herz (Superb tackler, working on cover)
        Chase (same as Herz)
        Jones (good tackler, not great in cover)
        Tracy (Great pass rushing ability)[/quote]

        and guess what...


        All of them can play in a 4-3. So why do you purpose this change?

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        • #5
          Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

          well.. you two are assuming that we are changing the entire defense. All i mentioned was a "package", meaning a few schemes or plays were we line up in a 3-4. Quit being touchy and expand the mind.
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          2014 Draft:
          Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
          Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
          Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
          Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
          Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
          Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
          Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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          • #6
            Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

            Why would you want to change a young team that just won the Super Bowl?

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            • #7
              Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

              [quote user="CGYgiant"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]I actually think it could be very realistic. If Rogers makes this team and can provide a nice anchor. Lets take a look at the surrounding cast..

              DLine - Canty (3-4 in Dallas)
              JPP (can do anything)
              Austin (Explosive, with a quick start)
              Tuck (ultra versitile)
              Joseph (seems to be more of a 4-3 guy)
              Osi (Probably not a good fit for a 3-4)
              Bernard (4-3 guy)

              LB - Kiwi (Great fit, experience at both LB/DE)
              Boley (extremely versitile, might be MLB)
              Rivers (Athletic enough to play all posit.)
              JWill (Great athlete and good coverage)
              Herz (Superb tackler, working on cover)
              Chase (same as Herz)
              Jones (good tackler, not great in cover)
              Tracy (Great pass rushing ability)[/quote]

              and guess what...


              All of them can play in a 4-3. So why do you purpose this change?
              [/quote]

              What's up sir? Maybe we can catch up on some Ghost Recon sometime soon. And yeah, I agree with you on this one!

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              • #8
                Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                We already do drop a DE into coverage sometimes, which isn't ideal, but it keeps offenses guessing and not knowing where the pressure is going to come from. Usually, it means someone else is blitzing and not strictly a 3-4 situation. But most often, it means another DB in coverage, and a three man rush which drove everyone nuts last year. (QBs had all day when we rushed only 3 guys.)

                Let's face the simple fact: that is not our ideal situation with the talent we have on the Dline.
                Do not feed the trolls.

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                • #9
                  Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??



                  [quote user="Shockeyitus"]well.. you two are assuming that we are changing the entire defense. All i mentioned was a "package", meaning a few schemes or plays were we line up in a 3-4. Quit being touchy and expand the mind.[/quote]




                  I personally don't think adding a 3-4package really helps the defense at all. It would force us to take some of our better defenders off the field and wouldnt really serve a specific purpose other than throwing another look at the offense, which has little value nowadays since the 3-4 is now so prominent offenses know how to attack it.




                  You don't add a package just for the sake of adding a package, it has to have a purpose. For example, our NASCAR package is design to get our best rushers all getting at the QB. Our 3 safety package was built out of necessity from lack of Lbers (in 2010) or loads of injured CBs (2012) to help get out best 11 players on the field.




                  Unless you can come up with a goal for this package, I see no reason for the team to take all of the time to develop the package, find where players would fit in, come up with plays for it (and all of the defensive adjustments for it) and practice the whole thing. Alot of time goes into installing an alignment, and it needs to have a goal that justifies that investment.

                  All Hail The New York Giants!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                    [quote user="Shockeyitus"]I actually think it could be very realistic. If Rogers makes this team and can provide a nice anchor. Lets take a look at the surrounding cast..

                    DLine - Canty (3-4 in Dallas)
                    JPP (can do anything)
                    Austin (Explosive, with a quick start)
                    Tuck (ultra versitile)
                    Joseph (seems to be more of a 4-3 guy)
                    Osi (Probably not a good fit for a 3-4)
                    Bernard (4-3 guy)

                    LB - Kiwi (Great fit, experience at both LB/DE)
                    Boley (extremely versitile, might be MLB)
                    Rivers (Athletic enough to play all posit.)
                    JWill (Great athlete and good coverage)
                    Herz (Superb tackler, working on cover)
                    Chase (same as Herz)
                    Jones (good tackler, not great in cover)
                    Tracy (Great pass rushing ability)[/quote]

                    Never say never I guess. They can't hang around with the 32nd rank defense this season very long for sure some improvements have to come from somewhere on defense because the offense took some big off season blows @ TE, RB, OL & WR. Whoops that's everywhere right? Doom dispair & agony on me...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                      PF is much more about the coverages than the QB pressure, which is my primary complaint about him. But he DID keep Tom Brady down to 17 points without much in the way of overall blitzing the way Spags did, so there has to be something going on there...

                      That said, all our front seven players are on the team because they're 4-3 players. You don't just decide to all of a sudden be a 3-4 team or run 3-4 packages. I like the depth we have at linebacker too, but unless we draft LT incarnate at that position, we will be doing a 4-3 for the forseeable future.

                      Also there's the little fact that most colleges run a 4-3, so it's easier to transition into our system than a 3-4...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                        Our strength is the D-line (overwhelming strength at DE and not too shabby at DT).

                        One of our biggest weaknesses is LB

                        You want to take a spot away from the team's strongest unit and give it to arguably the team's weakest unit?

                        To say nothing of the packages where Tuck or JPP plays inside when all 3 DEs are on the field at the same time. Or the fact that the outside LBs in a 3-4 do most of what our DEs do now... Do you want to waste Osi's outside pass rush or do you want to turn him, Tuck, and JPP into linebackers? The only piece that fits this transformation is Kiwi.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                          Only if our LB's suddenly get more talented than our D-linemen.

                          and if frogs had wings... yadda yadda

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                          • #14
                            Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                            Well.

                            I'll be one to agree with the original poster.

                            I think most of our defensive guys are versatile enough to play in a 3-4. I think Keith Rivers would be awesome off the edge, or in the middle. I think Tuck would be dominant as a 3-4 defensive end, and Canty would do well. I could see Pierre-Paul on the line of a 3-4, but would rather see him as a rushing specialist in a 3-4. Despite what most posters will say about our linebackers, I still think that the Nose tackle position would be the major concern.

                            Now, saying they're versatile enough to play in a 3-4 isn't me saying they are best in a 3-4. But I wouldn't be upset at all if Fewell put a couple new alignments in the play book to keep offenses guessing, as long as it is effective. We've seen defensive coordinators make 3-4 defenses work with what seemed to be weak personnel. It all comes down to whether Perry could make it work. To the best of my knowledge, he has never coached a 3-4 before.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Thoughts on the Giants running a 3-4 package??

                              A lot of the 3-4 packages I see are very similar to a 4-3. The JACK linebacker is really just a DE but sometimes has a different role. Doesn't really drop into coverage so much as he just stays home and covers his side of the field... and a lot of the time he's just getting after the quarterback like an end in a 4-3. I personally prefer 3-4 defenses but with that said, I have no interest in seeing us change our defense anytime soon. Right now our DL are better players than our LBs IMO... so a 3-4 could be counter productive. You need a great NT and MLBs to run a 3-4 and I'm not sure we have the right guys for MIKE and WILL.

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