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    "The first time David Merritt sat down with Will Hill, the Giants safeties
    coach noticed the young NFL Draft hopeful had “this little chip on his shoulder”
    — right next to where the tips of his long hair fell. That was more than a year
    ago, when Hill’s future still looked bright, at least in his mind. This spring,
    when Merritt talked with Hill yet again after an impressive workout for the
    coaches and front office, he saw and heard a much different person.

    “He cut his dreads off, he was a new-looking man. That was a fresh start,”
    Merritt said recently. “As I talked to the young man, he said everything was
    clear now. … But you hear that from kids and really don’t know until you get
    them into this situation.”

    Hey, at least Hill has convinced an NFL team to put him into a situation.

    The former St. Peter’s Prep star and Florida Gators standout should’ve been
    an early to mid-round pick last year based on his performance in college and his
    athletic ability. After recording four interceptions and proving his worth on
    special teams, the 6-1, 207-pound safety left school a year early to begin his
    NFL career.

    But that career never got under way last year.

    Hill’s 2010 suspension for an undisclosed violation of team rules, a run of
    posts on his Twitter account in reference to marijuana use and sex with
    prostitutes, the company he was keeping at the time, the negative impression he
    gave teams during interviews and a few other concerns all proved to be too many
    red flags.

    Hill went undrafted. And unsigned. All season long.

    None of the 32 NFL teams was willing to give Hill a shot at any of their
    1,700-plus available spots on their rosters or practice squads, even with a deal
    that didn’t include any guaranteed money.

    Now, the 2007 Star-Ledger Offensive Player of the Year is hoping for some
    measure of redemption with the Giants, who signed him to a minimum contract with
    no guaranteed money after he attended rookie minicamp in May on a tryout basis.
    So far, Hill has impressed Merritt and the coaching staff on the practice

    But more importantly, as he readies himself for training camp later this
    month, he’s had an incident-free couple of months in which he’s said all of the
    right things.

    “I know I made mistakes and I had to learn from my mistakes and that’s what
    the year off did. I had to sit back, think and become a better young person,”
    Hill said. “It’s been a hard time. Many nights crying, many nights just
    wondering, ‘When is this going to happen?’

    “But people were like, ‘Will, you’re a good athlete. Become a better person
    and everything will happen.’?”


    One of those people was Giants general manager Jerry Reese, who says he’s had
    “man-to-man” talks with Hill, before and after the team signed him, about his
    past and what’s expected of him in the present.

    Reese has had a few of those chats recently, as the Giants have added several
    young players with previous issues, including:

    •?Cornerback Jayron Hosley, the team’s third-round pick in April who failed a
    drug test at the NFL Scouting Combine.

    •?Undrafted safety Janzen Jackson, who has also reportedly failed drug tests,
    was arrested for armed robbery as a freshman at Tennessee (charges were later
    dropped) and was dismissed from the Vols’ program.

    •?Undrafted wide receiver Brandon Collins, who was kicked off Texas’ team
    after being charged with aggravated robbery and engaging in organized criminal
    activity — charges that were dropped when a grand jury did not indict him.

    Reese understands young, talented players will sometimes come with baggage,
    but some prove they deserve a chance to redeem themselves and, like Mario
    Manningham and Ahmad Bradshaw, the upside is huge.

    “We’ve had guys with some checkered backgrounds who have come here and have
    done pretty well,” Reese said. “So we’re hoping these kids can get their head on
    right, do the same and help us win some games.”

    Reese has warned all of the players they’ll be cut at the first sign of
    trouble — even Hosley, who received a signing bonus of $515,000. For Jackson,
    Collins and Hill, there’s much less risk for the team because they received
    little or no guaranteed money.

    As for whether Hill has truly turned things around, Reese can only play a
    “Well, I don’t know if he’s telling the truth. But I do know he’s felt
    the sting of not being on an NFL roster when he probably should be on one, as
    talented as he is,” Reese said. “The sting of not having that and having to sit
    out and not being able to play, I think that helps you get your priorities

    Last June, Hill was arrested in Florida for driving with a suspended license.
    (A search of court documents by The Star-Ledger revealed his license is still
    suspended in Florida, as the tickets remain unpaid.)

    In September, Hill’s wife, Leisa, told police in Jacksonville that Will
    struck her during an argument. A police report was filed, but the responding
    officer noted no signs of bruising on Leisa’s face or inside of her mouth and
    claimed she “could not tell me what side of the face she was hit on.” Also, a
    spokeswoman for the Florida state attorney’s office said charges were not filed
    and the investigation was halted after repeated attempts to reach Leisa were

    Hill, who said he has two children with Leisa and two with other women,
    claims he was in New Jersey at the time. Leisa said she’s planning to file for
    divorce and Will said he hasn’t been in touch with his wife since the fall.

    “The only thing that’s tough on me is not seeing my kids and wanting to be
    around my kids,” he said, adding his newfound dedication toward football is in
    large part due to his desire to support his family and be reunited with his

    Said Reese, “He’s still a young kid and he’ll probably make some more
    mistakes, like everybody does, but he convinced me he was ready to move forward
    and learn from his mistakes.”

    Hill has convinced a few others as well.


    Chip Smith had a speech ready if Hill had shown up even a minute late for one
    of the workouts the Atlanta-based trainer put the contrite NFL hopeful through
    earlier this year.

    You know what, go home. I don’t want to baby-sit you. To play in this league
    is a privilege. Here are the rules and I don’t need your name on my résumé to
    make my résumé.

    Smith never had to deliver those words.

    For about three months after a mutual friend of Patriots coach Bill Belichick
    set Hill up with Smith (the Patriots had shown a little interest in Hill), the
    veteran trainer worked with a dedicated pupil.

    “The teams I talked to, to be honest with you, didn’t have much interest,”
    said Smith, who spoke to a few clubs on Hill’s behalf once he was convinced Hill
    was committed. “I told them I’ve had a lot of bad boys of the NFL. He did
    everything I asked him, he did it with a cheerful attitude, he never said, ‘Woe
    is me. …?’ He said, ‘I made a bad decision. I shouldn’t have tweeted but I did
    and I’m paying the price for it.’?”

    Hill claimed last year his Twitter account was hacked and the tweets about
    sex and drug use were not his doing. Obviously, he told Smith a different story
    while showing him a stronger commitment.

    That’s precisely the impression Ray Buchanan got as well.

    A defensive back with the Colts, Falcons and Raiders from 1993-2004, Buchanan
    now helps Smith ready NFL Draft hopefuls by taking them through football drills
    each spring.

    This year’s class also included Hill, who last fall had signed with the
    Arizona Rattlers of the Arena Football League but was hoping he’d never have to
    suit up for a game.

    One play during a workout at the Georgia Dome revealed Hill had the ability
    to play at a much higher level.

    “He took off when he saw the quarterback’s shoulders turn, went to get a
    nasty out route from the wide receiver, picked it off with one hand, stayed in
    bounds and took it to the house. That let me know he was a freak,” Buchanan
    “His hand-eye coordination was freakish. He has great hands and
    unbelievable ball skills.”

    Buchanan added, “I looked at him and said he’s better than half the players
    in the NFL. I put my neck on that.”


    Of course, Buchanan knows it’s about more than talent for Hill.

    “A lot of these kids start to find out they’re not just God’s gift to the
    world with this athletic ability,” Buchanan said. “We have to put our foot down
    and let everybody know you can’t do certain things.

    “Everything I’ve seen and just talking to him and mentoring him, he showed a
    lot of humility and feeling very remorseful for the things he’s done in the

    It’ll be a battle for Hill to make the Giants’ final roster, though a stint
    on the practice squad is always an option. For now, he talked about how happy he
    is to just be wearing a helmet once again.

    “I saw my name on the jersey and almost cried,” he said. “I just sat back,
    talked to my father and he was like, ‘Don’t waste it. Do what you need to do.’
    And that’s what I’ve been doing.”

    He added, “I wouldn’t wish what happened to me on anybody, but it was a
    learning experience and that’s something I needed to do,” he said. “I needed to
    calm down and sit down and that’s what I did.”



    Excerpt: "Twenty years after
    Boston College safety Jay McGillis died of leukemia, his memory remains
    intertwined in countless lives, most notably Tom Coughlin's. In his name,
    Coughlin established The Jay Fund. It has allotted $3.5 million in grants to
    families suffering through cancer's financial costs."

    "The sun shone brightly on the morning of July 7, 1992, as mourners emerged
    from cars outside Our Lady of Lourdes Church, a red brick, one-story building
    with a pitched roof 20 miles south of Boston. It was a Tuesday following a
    tortuous holiday weekend. Family and friends, dressed in dark suits and black
    dresses, negotiated their way into narrow wooden pews. They genuflected and
    folded hands in prayer as Boston College safety Jay McGillis’ funeral mass

    McGillis, diagnosed with leukemia that November, died four days earlier. In
    seven months, he had lost 75 pounds, his red hair and, finally, his life.
    Resigned to death after his body rejected a bone marrow transplant from his
    oldest brother Michael, McGillis returned home for his final 48 hours, lying in
    bed, not speaking or communicating. Kathy, his oldest sister, sat to the left of
    his bed on the second floor of the family’s two-story house, holding his hand as
    he inhaled, then let out his last breath. Fireworks went off outside. She ran
    down the hall, opened her calendar book and penned an entry:

    “I will never let him leave my heart. Please stay with me forever Jay — I
    need you.”

    Supporters, including his coach, Tom Coughlin, then 45 and fresh off his
    first season at BC, a 4-7 campaign, had offered around-the-clock support. Now
    more than 3,000 gathered to remember the 21-year-old McGillis. From the 15th
    row, to the right of the altar, Fran Foley, BC’s director of operations, looked
    at Coughlin, a rigid, red-faced disciplinarian whose staff referred to him as
    “The Iron General.” When the mahogany casket was rolled down the center aisle,
    Foley’s eyes met Coughlin’s.

    “It was the first time I realized Tom was human,” Foley says.

    Twenty years on, McGillis’ memory remains intertwined in countless lives,
    most notably Tom Coughlin’s. Kathy keeps the worn, sweat-stained baseball hat
    her brother donned during chemotherapy, replete with the red hair he lost to the
    treatment. The No. 31 he wore at BC is quietly retired, worn only on senior day,
    and his wooden stall is still preserved in the locker room. In his name,
    Coughlin established The Jay Fund. It has allotted $3.5 million in grants to
    families suffering through cancer’s financial costs.

    “I pray to Saint Jay because I believe he’s a saint,” Coughlin

    Coughlin has witnessed what he calls “Jay Miracles,” watching a boy with a
    brain tumor write poetry for him and a young lady live through cancer that
    spread to her spine only to survive and earn a scholarship. Around his neck,
    beneath his buttoned shirt, Coughlin wears a worn medal given to him by
    McGillis’ mother, Pat. St. Michael the Archangel marks one side, a Guardian
    Angel covers the other. Only the chain has been replaced over the

    Coughlin forged a unique relationship with McGillis despite not recruiting
    him. He felt a connection having come from similar middle-class roots in upstate
    New York. Following the funeral, Coughlin joined the procession to Calvary
    Cemetery. Once the casket was lowered into the grave, he returned to the
    family’s home on Harwich Street, a leafy dead end. Pat McGillis, who is also
    known as Sis, received Coughlin warmly. He asked to see her son’s deathbed.

    “Tom, it’s nothing special up there, just a modest house,” she said.

    She took his hand, walked up 12 carpeted steps and turned left. Together they
    stood rooted in the doorway. The walls were stripped of picture frames and
    sanitized with liquid disinfectant. There was a twin bed in the middle, a golden
    crucifix affixed to a wall.

    “It was just something I wanted to do,” says Coughlin, his eyes reddening
    with tears behind rimless glasses. “I just wanted to see where he grew up, where
    he slept.”

    * * *

    He was a wall of freckles, fair skinned and fearless. Forever in the backyard
    or on a ball field, neighbors nicknamed McGillis “The Road Runner.” He raced his
    older brother David outside the house one day when he was 12. Unable to catch
    up, Jay lunged after him and lost the tip of his ring finger when David closed
    the door to the house. Blood shot out of the severed finger; paramedics came.
    David worried that their father, Butch, would punish him.

    “Don’t worry,” Jay said. “We’ll think of something.”

    His finger was repaired with a skin graft and the unflinching demeanor never
    left. The first time Armond Colombo, coach of the Brockton High Boxers,
    recognized the relentlessness inside of McGillis was during a scrimmage.
    McGillis, then a 5-foot-9, 145-pound sophomore, volunteered to step in at
    linebacker against the varsity. Tailback Rudy Harris typically exploded through
    the line, but McGillis leveled the star. Colombo muttered about toughness. Next
    up, McGillis toppled Darnell Campbell, another star.

    “What the f--- is going on out here!” Colombo yelled.

    McGillis tackled opponents with uncommon abandon. From his position, he aimed
    to knock out receivers within range. During his junior season opener, McGillis
    locked in on a wideout from Rome Free Academy running a 15-yard out route at
    Syracuse’s Carrier Dome. The quarterback led the receiver too far. McGillis
    crushed him, helmet to helmet.

    “I was like, ‘Dude, that guy’s dead,’” says Joe D’Amore, a teammate.

    The blue-collar toughness translated outside Rocky Marciano Stadium as well.
    Though the Thorny Lea Golf Club, where his father was a member, was just a short
    chip down the street from the McGillis home, Jay worked with the maintenance
    staff at the Brockton Fairgrounds, picking up trash at night’s end and shoveling
    manure. He took home $1,200 for the summer.

    Money mattered to the family with six siblings spread across 16 years.
    McGillis, who recorded 90 tackles and four interceptions as a co-captain his
    senior year, accepted the full scholarship offer to BC, turning down Iowa to
    commute 29 miles north on Route 24 to Chestnut Hill. He wanted his family to
    follow each game he played in, and started dating Vernice Serrano, a friend
    since seventh grade, just before he left for BC. That summer, he bonded with his
    Boxers, twice the Massachusetts state champs, one last time as teammates on Cape
    Cod and got his ear pierced at a mall. The earring was short-lived. McGillis
    removed it before returning home and allowed the hole to close up.

    “He knew dad would have killed him,” Kathy says.

    * * *

    One day in late January of 1991, Tom Coughlin, newly minted Super Bowl
    champion as receivers coach on Bill Parcells’ staff with the Giants, walked into
    the Flynn Recreational Complex at BC. He observed his team for the first time.
    Sweat dripped down the players’ foreheads, shoulders and chests as he gauged
    their efforts. One cornerback left the drill for a restroom break. Coughlin
    followed him, questioned his commitment and dragged him out.

    He called the group together.

    “My name is Tom Coughlin. I’m your new coach,” he said. “I’m not here to make
    friends. When you leave here, everything in your life is going to be easier than

    He burned the candle at both ends, his office light still on most nights when
    players would return to the campus from bar outings in nearby Cleveland Circle.
    He restored order to a program that had fallen into disrepair, in part due to a
    lack of discipline, starting with his own office, which overlooked the field.
    His secretary, Kathleen O’Neil, noted Coughlin’s feng shui, insisting that he
    knew exactly where the apples sat on his desk.

    “Constant, nonstop perfectionism morning, noon and night,” she says.

    Coughlin was curt, but he found willing converts in players like McGillis,
    then a sophomore who saw playing time in the secondary as a redshirt freshman.
    They leafed through Coughlin’s three-ring binder filled with pages highlighting
    character, discipline and accountability. In the tunnel between the locker room
    and the field, Coughlin put up a sign that read CONCENTRATION LINE. Their focus
    was to be singular past that point. Before running out, Coughlin issued a
    graphic demand to give everything: Leave your d--- on the field.

    “You would jump out of your skin for a player like Jay,” Coughlin

    The roughest stretch came that March. Chris Reagan, a Brockton friend, died
    in a car accident, and McGillis skipped study hall to attend the wake with
    Steven Marciano, a teammate at both Brockton and BC. The next day, Coughlin
    called them into his office. He mandated they be at the field for 100-yard
    barrel crawls at 5 a.m.

    “He literally ran us into the ground,” Marciano says.

    Marciano threw up; McGillis needed intravenous fluids.

    “Jay knew he should have asked permission,” his mother says.

    Following that incident, McGillis began to mesh with Coughlin. When team
    photos were taken at the end of training camp, Coughlin, wearing his Super Bowl
    ring, placed his right hand on McGillis’ right shoulder. The image became a
    program cover. Coughlin looked at McGillis as the system’s model: common men
    working toward exceptional ends.

    By the season’s 10th game, the team had begun to improve steadily, but then
    McGillis appeared a step slow against Syracuse. Marciano knew his friend turned
    red during games when the blood rushed to his face, but now McGillis looked
    “fire-engine red.”

    The next night, at Marciano’s house, McGillis complained of pain. He had a
    lump the size of his fist on his neck and smaller bumps under his armpit.
    Marciano’s sister, Elise, was concerned enough to insist that Steven bring
    McGillis to St. Elizabeth’s Hospital near campus the next day, fearing the
    diagnosis was worse than mononucleosis. She was right. His white blood cell
    count was incredibly high. More tests were conducted. Doctors recognized

    “I’m scared,” McGillis told Marciano.

    Unable to play against No. 1 Miami that Saturday, McGillis’ friends and
    family gathered with him in his hospital room. Keith Davidson, a bartender
    friend who crashed in the closet of McGillis’ dorm room, taped each quarter on a
    VCR at Mary Ann’s, a popular bar, then ran back to play it for the group.
    McGillis saw the first three quarters but fell asleep before quarterback Glenn
    Foley’s Hail Mary attempt fell short. BC lost 19-14.

    A whirl of white coats and dark diagnoses followed. McGillis lost strength as
    he underwent aggressive chemo. Separate from the cancer, he suffered from Bell’s
    Palsy, a paralysis on the left side of his face. No matter the malady, McGillis
    pushed the pole holding his IV tubes through the corridors, counting laps as if
    rounding a track.

    Stillness unsettled him. At night, down the hall, a patient yelled, “God take

    Support pulsed during visiting hours. Most mornings, Kathy McGillis, who left
    her pre-law school internship at Skadden, Arps in Washington, slept in her
    brother’s room and awoke to the phone ringing. Jay looked at her. It was

    “Why does he call so early?” McGillis asked.

    Coughlin exhorted McGillis to the end, lifting weights with the team for
    charity and raising awareness. The last phone call was from McGillis. He was
    going home to die.

    “Don’t give up,” Coughlin told him.

    “I won’t, coach,” McGillis said.

    Coughlin would not forget McGillis. When he left BC to become head coach of
    the Jacksonville Jaguars in 1995, Coughlin invited McGillis’ parents to a party
    at New England Patriots coach Romeo Crennel’s house. It was a going-away
    gathering with the Patriots staff, old friends from the Giants, including
    Parcells. The parents sat in awe.

    “He never left us,” Pat McGillis says.

    * * *

    It’s May 20, the night of the 17th annual Jay McGillis Golf Classic dinner at
    the TPC Sawgrass clubhouse in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. Coughlin greets all
    attendees at the door, and they continue upstairs. Kathy enters the silent
    auction, penning her assigned number not on a bid sheet for the hottest item — a
    detailed diagram of Mario Manningham’s Super Bowl catch (play name: Gun Half LT
    81 Otter W Go) — but children’s art.

    Patients at the Wolfson Children’s Hospital craft the pieces. She does this
    every year, raising the bid so no child sees low numbers next to his or her
    name. When her husband Kevin returns 20 minutes later, the bids are higher, this
    time under his number.

    “Where is she?” he says, surveying the room.

    They meet back at their table before Coughlin speaks. He looks out at the
    grand ballroom, recalling the first event that raised $35,000 at a small club
    nearby. The auction items were stored in Foley’s cubbyhole of an office with the
    Jaguars. Now, Olympic gold medalist Shannon Miller, a cancer survivor, sits two
    tables away.

    Giants quarterback Eli Manning and NFL Hall of Famer Floyd Little stare back.
    Coughlin singles out Kathy.

    “Kathy is the greatest example of devotion, unlike anything I’ve seen,” he

    She enrolled in law school at the University of Virginia the year after Jay
    died, and kept his memory close, wearing a necklace with the No. 31 on it. One
    day, Kevin Haley, a classmate, inquired about its significance. Kathy explained
    Jay’s story. Kevin wore No. 31 in lacrosse at Georgetown Prep. They married
    three years later.

    brother is never far. Her ears are pierced, but she has an extra hole in the
    right side for the stud Jay got in Cape Cod. She keeps a sunrise photo Jay slept
    next to in the hospital by her bed. Her six children have Jay incorporated into
    their names.

    Thirty-one is a thread that binds them all. Coughlin was born on August 31.
    When David McGillis entered the Masschusetts Firefighting Academy, he was
    assigned No. 31. Butch’s locker at the golf club is No. 31.

    Michael’s daughter, Emma, had “J31” tattooed into the back of her neck.
    D’Amore regularly bets the trifecta 3-1-8, a combination of their numbers.
    Serrano, who dated McGillis until he died and has since married, grabs No. 31
    uniforms for each of her four children in youth leagues. His varsity jacket
    hangs in a basement closet.

    “I think about him every day,” she says.

    Coughlin, meanwhile, hosts the charity tournament in golf heaven. He sits
    with McGillis’ brothers and father at the 17th hole, the course’s prominent,
    par-3 island green. He takes one shot with each group. He misses left, right,
    long, short.

    “Does your husband play, too?” Little jokes as he walks by.

    Coughlin grins.

    He talks to participants about helping with payments and bank loans for
    families so they don’t have to take on second jobs. Parents express thanks for
    the time freed up by the help. The hospital hosts a bereavement weekend for
    those who lose children.

    “We go to weddings and graduations for the survivors, but we wanted to do
    something for the families after a child’s death,” says Dr. Michael Joyce, who
    has been with the foundation since its inception. “They don’t have to be

    Kathy remains the model keeper. In her house sits a crystal football from
    Tiffany’s. Coughlin and his wife Judy sent it as a wedding gift. In the next
    room, walls are covered with patients’ paintings.

    “Can’t help it,” she says.

    * * *

    Nine a.m. on May 29, the Tuesday after Memorial Day, and Sis McGillis,
    dressed in white from cardigan to dress shoes, wipes the pollen off the black
    granite headstone that marks her son’s grave. It lies beneath a maple tree in
    the cemetery’s south end.

    “It’s tough to keep clean this time of year,” she says.

    Friends and family find different ways to honor McGillis in his final resting
    place. His brother David left a Bull’s Eye putter the year that Jay died, and it
    still rests against the headstone. There are typically 31 cents — one quarter,
    one nickel and a penny — sitting in a row next to an American flag. His parents
    do not know who leaves the exact change.

    Coughlin once sent flowers to the grave in order to commemorate his first big
    win at BC. It was on Oct. 17, 1992, the day McGillis would have turned 22. It
    was also the second anniversary of the day Coughlin’s father, Lou, died.
    Coughlin remembered both men as he walked out of Happy Valley with a 35-32 win
    over No. 9 Penn State.

    The coach has not stopped by the cemetery in years, but he has called the
    parents on July 3 every summer but one. He was visiting American troops in Iraq
    in July 2009, the lone anniversary that he missed. He apologized upon

    “He didn’t have to,” Butch says.

    The parents stand together, their images reflected in granite. Pat reads the

    The quality of a man’s life
    is measured by how deeply
    he has touched
    the lives of others"


    "It’s characteristic Big Blue faithful knowledge that the three division
    rivals in the NFC East
    are nemeses to the New York Football Giants. What seems to fluctuate every handful of
    years are the rivals outside the division and then outside the conference.

    Usually a close game that turns into a “slobberknocker” and has some bearing
    on the season (or more importantly, the post-season) precipitates the reasoning
    for another NFL team to
    develop into a rival to Big Blue. Sometimes it’s just a nasty,
    deep-in-the-trenches, dirty-played game that leaves one team feeling the need
    for a rematch that eventually hastens a rivalry. That drive for revenge can be a
    colossal factor.

    Ask New
    Patriots fans if they feel that the Giants are viewed as more
    formidable competition than any actual AFC East division opponents are. Once
    most of them look past the severe disdain, the answer would more than likely be
    in the affirmative. Looking at the main reasons as to why, they cannot be
    faulted. The taste for winning and being crowned perpetual winners has been
    snatched from them and belongs now to a team that’s barely a three-hour drive
    down I-91 to I-95.

    Recent events in 2011 have reawakened the serious competition of the late
    80’s and early 90’s between the G-men and the San
    Francisco 49ers
    . While Simms and Montana/Young are long gone, both teams
    continue to put all they have on the field during these games and quite
    honestly, in that old school way still. No one can deny they play physical football
    until the time clock is at 0:00. After this January’s NFC Conference game,
    revenge is an understatement for the NFC west-coast football

    The post-season overtime meeting of 2008 was most definitely the catalyst
    that echoed the Giants’ old gridiron battles with the Green Bay
    Packers. All of the ingredients for a rehashed rivalry were there: the build-up,
    revenge, sudden disappointment, and extensive history. The competitiveness
    between these two franchises dates back to leather helmets and black and white
    films, but the classic regular season meetings-turned post-season win-or-go-home
    fights are back and seemingly better than ever. They would be even more
    meaningful if the NFL officiating
    wouldn’t be so “involved”…

    An odd, but mostly media-fueled adversary has become Florham Park residents,
    the New York
    . Until fairly recently, the annual preseason meeting was really nothing
    but just that – a preseason game. Now, it’s a battle for the metropolis that is
    New York
    City and MetLife Stadium. During the regular season of 2011, it turned into a
    full-out war and the victor would not only turn the city their respective color,
    but would, in fact, “own” it and have bragging rights for at least the following
    four years (until they meet again). In the regular season, the New York
    hold an 8-4 record over their roomies (which includes a five-game win
    streak since ‘96). Just sayin’.

    No matter how the rivalries originate outside the NFC East,
    they do exist and sometimes recur. Most of the time, it’s almost always because
    the Giants are again winning, beating who they need to and advancing to the
    playoffs. Good deal."



    "The New York Giants
    signed Antrel Rolle to
    a five-year, $37 million deal before the 2010 season. It seemed like a gamble,
    but at the time Rolle looked to be a young player with promise. The deal made
    him the third-highest paid safety in the NFL.

    In Rolle's first season with the Giants in 2010 he was voted into the Pro
    Bowl. His stats, however, did not reflect a Pro Bowl-like player:

    Tackles: 87 (23rd among

    Interceptions: 1 (Not top

    Passes Defensed: 4 (Not top

    Sacks: .5

    Forced fumbles: 1

    What did he do in 2011?

    Tackles: 97 (11th among

    Interceptions: 2

    Passes defensed: 4

    Rolle did not make the Pro Bowl in 2011, and
    he's still making Pro Bowl player type of money.

    Rolle is entering his third season with the
    team, and he still has not shown he is worth the kind of money the Giants are
    paying him.

    A solid player? Yes. A $37 million player? No. That's the type of money you
    give to the likes of Polamalu, and Rolle is not up to his caliber.

    A top safety in the NFL isn't all about tackles. They are all about
    turnovers. Forced fumbles. Interceptions.

    Giants safety Kenny
    entered 2011 after sitting out an entire season with an MCL injury
    and was able to nab four interceptions in the championship season...AND he was

    Phillips is entering the final year of his contract worth up to $11,150,000.
    $11 million vs. $37 million. What if Phillips was not hurt in 2010? How much
    would he be overshadowing Rolle right now?"


    "Good morning, New York Giants
    fans! A quick notebook for you today.

    hopeful Will Hill has new perspective on life and football |

    know I made mistakes and I had to learn from my mistakes and that’s what the
    year off did. I had to sit back, think and become a better young person," Hill
    said. "It’s been a hard time. Many nights crying, many nights just wondering,
    ‘When is this going to happen?’

    "But people were like, ‘Will, you’re a
    good athlete. Become a better person and everything will happen.’?"

    Valentine's View: This is a tremendous piece on Hill from Mike
    Garafolo. Take the time to read it this morning.

    relieved he didn't bounce pitch - Yankees Blog - ESPN New York

    Coughlin may not have thrown a strike to Russell Martin, but the two-time Super
    Bowl champion coach of the New York Giants was relieved he didn't bounce the
    first pitch prior to Saturday's Yankees-White Sox game at the Stadium.

    "It wasn't in the dirt," said Coughlin, who was asked to throw out the
    first pitch by his alma mater as part of Syracuse University day. "It was
    probably high and inside, but it was close enough. I might have gotten the

    Experience bumped from New York, may land in New Jersey |

    free-agent tracker, by position - Yahoo! Sports

    League willing to relax blackout rules | ProFootballTalk








    "The linebacker situation for the defending champion New York
    is a cloudy one, but not in a bad way. Normally if you
    aren’t sure about a team’s starting position it means you have a problem. With
    the Giants, the problem only resides in deciding which talented player will be
    starting at each position come September 5 when they take on the Dallas

    During the offseason mini-camps, Chase Blackburn has been
    starting at the middle linebacker spot, with Michael Boley
    taking his weak side spot and Mathias Kiwanuka playing the
    strong side. This was the starting combination at the end of last year. You’ll remember Blackburn had to be signed when Boley got
    hurt mid-season

    Blackburn came on and played very well in a limited role, mostly playing on
    run heavy downs. The Giants rewarded him by re-signing him this offseason.

    However, Jerry Reese and Perry Fewell have
    both hinted at a number of options for the middle spot. Blackburn will be No. 1
    on the depth chart heading into training camp, but the job is far from safe.

    New addition Keith Rivers could take the spot from Blackburn. Fewell
    mentioned they like Rivers’ athleticism, but are bringing the mental aspect of
    it along slowly. If he grasps the defense quickly, his athleticism will shine at

    “He’s still a work in progress from a mental standpoint,” Fewell said last
    month. “But he is an athletic guy. He can move, he can flip his hip. I want to
    push it quicker. He’s playing the WILL linebacker for us. At some point in time,
    he’ll play some MIKE linebacker for us. It’s how much can he digest and how much
    he can execute for us at this point in time. At some point in time, we’re going
    to move him around a little bit more.”

    Right now it feels like a two-man race, but Mark Herzlich is
    doing whatever he can to get noticed as well. It should be an interesting
    battle, but a problem most teams would like to have."


    "We have approached the heart of summer and football news is sporadic. Throughout
    this past month, I have found myself more and more consistently channel surfing
    back and forth between ESPN and Food Network.

    A reported update on the
    New Orleans Bounty probe? Catifish and beignets dished on "Chopped". Chris
    Berman calling a Raiders "Monday Night Football" game?

    Guy Fieri visiting
    Aunt Mary's Cafe in Oakland on "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives".

    Either way,
    masculinity remains intact.

    a country that craves its upwards of three meals per day, sports offer one of
    the few legitimate excuses to postpone your investment in P90X.

    beer is washing down potato chips in the comforts of your living room or loaded
    fries at MetLife Stadium while the Giants devour the Jets on Christmas Eve,
    neither football nor food are genuinely fulfilling enough without the

    Allow me to take your jackets and begin filling the menu for your
    2012 season-opener party on Wednesday September 5th. Waters with lemon all
    around and a lozenge for the lone Dallas fan?

    Because I have yet to make
    the trip to Carnegie Deli and tackle the infamousJetbow,
    let's direct our appetites to the second-most discussed team in New York, and
    the player with the second-most celebrated celebration in the league: Victor
    Cruz. His salsa-induced Puerto Rican upbringing combined with the melting pot of
    American and international customs alike created a breakout performance that
    Ellis Island's breed of Italians, Portuguese, and Cubans crowded 8th Avenue just
    to savor. The Cruz Club and your Italian Trojan both encompass all of

    Here's the play-by-play for one sandwich (although you'll most
    likely need more):

    2 fileted chicken thighs (for
    desired hip action)
    Basil/paprika/garlic/black pepper/red pepper
    1 tbsp of
    extra-virgin olive oil (plus more for the roll)
    2 strips of
    Portuguese roll (benching the thinner casabe bread)
    Salsa (homemade
    or store-bought - I'm still a rookie)
    10 cucumber slices (and/or

    Preheat the oven to 350 degrees and cover the skin-side of each
    thigh with your dry herbs. I chose this array of seasonings as opposed to more
    traditional Puerto Rican spices (such as cilantro and Caribbean thyme) to evade
    the bull rush of potentially clashing too much with the salsa or overpowering
    the sandwich, or else I'd add a twist or two of lime. This, of course, can be
    left to your preference or the disposal of your spice cabinet.

    Coat a
    frying pan with the tablespoon of olive oil and set to medium heat. Once the oil
    is hot, place the chicken skin-side down and sprinkle your salt on top. You are
    aiming for crispy blackened skin without burning it.

    Your simultaneous
    assignment is to partially cook the bacon in a separate pan, until it begins to
    curl. Read the defense and do not hold on to the ball too long, but don't throw
    into tight coverage either...

    On a plate, lay the bacon on the meat-side
    of the thigh and roll the chicken, gunslinging a toothpick all the way through
    it so it holds in place. American-Puerto Rican cuisine also practices stuffing
    their cow with the pig...the NFL should emply more barnyard-animal team

    Set your oven to broil and cook the chicken in an oven-safe pan,
    until well done, obviously - don't jump the snap count! This should take 25-30
    minutes depending on the thickness of the thighs.

    Meanwhile, brush each
    slice of your Portuguese roll with olive oil. In the pan with the leftover oil,
    toast the bread by weighing it down with a spatula, to catch the remaining
    seasonings with a bear claw and David Tyree's old helmet.

    Remove the
    toothpicks (unless you're bracing yourself for a pain-filled 2012 campaign) and
    lay the chicken flat on the roll. Add the salsa according to your liking, as
    well as the lettuce and cucumber - which complement the sandwich with a fresher
    element to cushion the impact of the salsa and spices.

    As messy a snack
    as the art of tailgating calls for, the Cruz Club provides your taste buds with
    healthy deception and 99-yard enjoyment even for a picky bickering receiving
    corps of younger Italian siblings. Prepare with Tostitos and digest the Giants'
    defense of the NFC East crown."



    Last year, the New York Giants won the Super Bowl. However, can you argue
    that they were the worst regular season team to ever win the Super Bowl. They
    were the first team to win the Super Bowl despite single digit wins (9) and they
    even had a negative points differential (-6), one of only 2 playoff teams last
    season to have one (Denver). They barely made the playoffs and had to win their
    final 2 games to do so.

    At 7-7 heading into week 16, it said far more likely that Tom Coughlin would
    be fired than that he would win his 2nd Super Bowl. In fact, had
    Miles Austin not dropped a wide open touchdown in the Giants/Cowboys week 14
    clash, the Giants wouldn’t have even made the playoffs. You can say the same
    thing about a borderline “gave himself up” call in the Giants’ game against the
    Cardinals earlier in the season that led to a Victor Cruz touchdown.

    Of course, in the playoffs, everything changed. Eli turned into ELIte,
    throwing to a great group of receivers, their running game finally got going
    after ranking dead last in the regular season, and they got just enough guys
    back from injury defensively that their amazing pass rush was able to shine.
    Some think they have turned a corner and are now the elite team that they
    weren’t during the regular season, as the Packers did after winning the Super
    Bowl the season before.

    I disagree. I think this was just a team that got hot at the right time, as
    they did the last time they won the Super Bowl. They didn’t turn the corner and
    become an elite team last time. Sure, they went 12-4 in the 2008 season, the
    season after winning the Super Bowl, but their Super Bowl was followed by 4
    straight seasons without a playoff win. It wasn’t like the Packers setting the
    world on fire and going 15-1 last year. They’ve proven countless times that they
    are not an elite team, just an above average team that can get hot at the right
    time. I think they’ll more closely resemble the above average team they were
    last year in the regular season, and in the regular seasons previous, than the
    elite team that won the Super Bowl last postseason.

    In a loaded NFC and a loaded NFC East, that could be trouble. No defending
    Super Bowl champion has won a playoff game since the Patriots won back to back
    Super Bowls in the 2003 and 2004 seasons. I don’t think the Giants are going to
    be the ones to break that streak. In fact, considering they barely made the
    playoffs last year, and that they’re in an improved division overall (Eagles
    ended last year really well, Cowboys upgraded their secondary, Redskins got
    RGIII), they might not make the playoffs at all this season. Every year, 5 teams
    that made the playoffs the year before miss the playoffs the following season.
    The Giants could easily be one of the 5 out this season.


    Eli Manning had an amazing season last year. He threw for 4933 yards in the
    regular season and played extremely well in the playoffs, carrying the team in a
    way he had never done before. He definitely proved himself to be an elite
    quarterback. However, after the Giants won the Super Bowl, I still argued I’d
    rather have Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees because of their consistent

    Eli was on their level last year, but before last year, his career high in
    yards was 4021. Before last year, he might not even have been a top-10
    quarterback. I need to see him do it once more before I’ll put him in that top,
    top tier with the 3 guys just mentioned (for the record, brother Peyton is in
    that tier too if fully healthy). Still, the Giants are in very, very good hands
    with Eli. He’s at worst the 4th best quarterback in the league and
    you can do a lot, lot worse than that.

    Grade: A-

    Running Backs

    The Giants have always been a good running team, so it was a real surprise
    when they ranked dead last in yards (1427) and YPC (3.5) last season. That’s why
    Eli carried this team in ways he had never before. He didn’t really have a great
    running game to lean on. In the postseason, they got things together, a big part
    of why they were able to win it all.

    The Giants return starter Ahmad Bradshaw, but they lost Brandon Jacobs and
    while his replacement David Wilson, their 1st round pick, is much
    more talented than the aged Jacobs, he isn’t the short yardage bruiser that
    Jacobs was. They could miss that. To replace Jacobs as a short yardage back, the
    Giants have had DJ Ware bulk up from around 225 pounds to 240 this offseason.
    He’ll see very limited work in specialized situations.

    Bradshaw and Wilson, meanwhile, are very, very similar football players. In
    fact, in my scouting report of Wilson, I actually gave him a Bradshaw
    comparison, this of course being before the Giants took him. For that reason, I
    actually didn’t like the Wilson selection because you typically want
    complimentary players in a running back tandem. Still, Wilson is a talented back
    who will help their running game get back on track.

    After rushing for 1235 yards on 278 carries in 2010 (4.5 YPC), Bradshaw
    rushed for 659 yards on 171 carries (3.9 YPC) last season thanks, in large part,
    to injuries, which caused him to miss 4 games and be limited in several others.
    Bradshaw has hardly been the picture of good health in the past in his career,
    aside from the 2010 season, so Wilson will come in handy as they attempt to get
    back to being a good running football team.

    Grade: B

    Wide receivers

    Eli Manning was definitely helped out by a great receiving corps last season,
    led by the trio of Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, and Mario Manningham. In the Super
    Bowl, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick told his defense to make Manningham be
    the one to have to beat them. That backfired as he did with an amazing catch
    against the sideline on what would eventually be the game winning touchdown
    drive late in the 4th quarter.

    Manningham is gone, after signing in San Francisco, but Manningham actually
    only had 39 catches for 523 yards and 4 touchdowns as their 3rd
    receiver last year so it’s not like he’s irreplaceable. Hakeem Nicks and Victor
    Cruz were the key guys as they had 76/1192/7 and 82/1536/9 respectively and both
    are back this season.

    Nicks is the more sure thing between the two as he was a highly ranked
    prospect coming out of college and has two years of great production as opposed
    to just one for Victor Cruz, who came out of literally nowhere to finish
    3rd in the league in receiving and pace the team in catches, yards,
    and receiving touchdowns last year. Nicks was the better receiver of the two in
    the playoffs, with 28 catches for 444 yards and 4 touchdowns, as opposed to 21
    catches for 269 yards and 1 touchdown for Cruz. Barring any further setbacks
    with his foot injury (he should be good for week 1), I expect Nicks to lead the
    team in receiving this year, though don’t count out the Giants having two 1000
    yard receivers once again.

    The 3rd receiver this year is expected to be Rueben Randle as he
    fills in for Manningham. Like Manningham, Randle will play outside opposite
    Nicks in 3-wide receiver sets, with Cruz playing in the slot where he’s most
    dangerous. Randle will compete with veterans Domenik Hikon and Ramses Barden, as
    well as 2011 3rd round pick Jerrel Jernigan, but the Giants used a
    2nd round pick on Randle in this past 2012 NFL Draft and considering
    he was seen as a steal there and one of the draft’s most NFL ready receivers, he
    should win that job.

    Tight end, however, could be a problem for the Giants this year. Their Super
    Bowl victory was not without losses as they lost both Jake Ballard and Travis
    Beckum to torn ACLs. Those were their top 2 tight ends at an already thin
    position. Ballard was not expected to be able to play at all this season, so
    they cut him. He was then claimed on waivers by none other than the New England
    Patriots, which pissed off Head Coach Tom Coughlin. Beckum, meanwhile, might be
    able to play at some point this year but he’s pretty unproven with 26 career

    With those two out, the Giants signed Martellus Bennett and used a
    4th round pick on Adrien Robinson. When they signed Bennett, I
    thought there was some real upside with him. Bennett was underutilized as a
    receiver in Dallas behind Jason Witten, but was talented enough as a receiver to
    go in the 2nd round in 2008 and he’s one of the league’s best
    blocking tight ends. On top of that, Manning has always gotten the most out of
    mediocre receivers like Kevin Boss and Jake Ballard at tight end before.
    However, Bennett showed up to camp at 291 pounds and while he insists that’s all
    muscle, that won’t help him separate from defenders. Robinson, meanwhile, is an
    athletic freak and a strong blocker, but he caught just 12 passes in his senior
    season at Cincinnati last year so the 2012 4th round pick is a major project who
    won’t contribute much this season.

    Offensive line

    The offensive line was absolutely miserable for the Giants last year. I’m
    amazed they managed to win the Super Bowl in spite of it because they didn’t
    really get much better in the playoffs. Eli Manning was only sacked 28 times,
    but that’s because he, like his brother, gets the football out very quickly (he
    was sacked 11 times in 4 playoff games on top of that though). They were
    ProFootballFocus’ worst rated pass blocking offensive line and 4th
    worst rated run blocking offensive line. In the playoffs and regular season
    combined, they allowed 250 quarterback pressures. On 840 pass plays, that’s one
    every 3.4 pass attempts.

    Their worst offensive lineman was David Diehl. Diehl played 10 games at left
    guard and 6 games at left tackle and managed to rank among the worst at the
    position at both. As a tackle, he ranked 64th out of 76 with a -22.0
    (in 6 games), allowing 4 sacks, 6 quarterback pressures, and 20 quarterback
    pressures, while committing 2 penalties. In 10 games at guard, he ranked
    76th out of 77 with a -26.1, allowing 5 sacks, 2 quarterback hits, 28
    quarterback pressures, while committing 3 penalties. Including playoffs, in 20
    games, he allowed 13 sacks, 11 quarterback hits, 61 quarterback pressures, and
    committed 6 penalties. His -58.1 overall rating was the worst among any player
    at any position.

    Diehl has been moved to right tackle this season. He’ll compete with James
    Brewer, their 2011 4th round pick, for the right to start there and
    he might move back to left guard and start there if he can’t win the right
    tackle job. Diehl and Brewer are competing for Kareem McKenzie’s old job.
    McKenzie was almost as bad as Diehl, allowing 9 sacks, 11 quarterback hits, 58
    quarterback pressures, and committing 4 penalties in 20 games at right tackle.
    He, not surprisingly, remains unsigned on the open market as of this writing and
    may have to retire at 33 years of age.

    Things were better aside from Diehl and McKenzie, but still not great. Chris
    Snee was their right guard once again, allowing 6 sacks, 6 quarterback hits, and
    27 quarterback pressures, good for a -18.7 rating in 20 games. He’ll start there
    once again. Opposite him, Kevin Boothe is penciled in as the starting left guard
    with Diehl at right tackle, though he could lose his job to Diehl if Diehl can’t
    win the right tackle job. Boothe played all over the line last season, including
    center, and had a -19.0 rating overall with 3 sacks, 3 quarterback hits, 21
    quarterback pressures, and 2 penalties, though he was a putrid run blocker. The
    Giants would still be better off with Boothe as their starting left guard and
    Diehl serving Boothe’s old role as a versatile 6th offensive

    When healthy, David Baas played center last year. A natural guard, Baas
    looked out of position at center last year, as he too graded out well below
    average with a -11.3 rating. He allowed 3 sacks, 6 quarterback hits, and 14
    quarterback pressures. Some expected them to take a natural center like Peter
    Konz in the 1st round and move Baas to guard, but they didn’t do
    that. In fact, they didn’t put much emphasis on the offensive line at all in the
    draft, which was surprising considering how poorly they played last season. They
    used a 4th round pick on the versatile Brandon Mosley and a
    6th round pick on the raw, but athletic Matt McCants, but neither
    will have much of an impact this season. At best, they’re going to be their
    7th and 8th offensive linemen.

    The only offensive lineman who wasn’t absolutely miserable for the Giants
    upfront last season was William Beatty, who was actually pretty average with a
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

    Good morning ! Thanks RF !
    " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.


    • #3
      Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

      Good morning!

      I sort of agree with the article about Rolle. He hasn't performed at the same level as his salary.

      “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”


      • #4
        Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

        [quote user="BeatYale"]Good morning!

        I sort of agree with the article about Rolle. He hasn't performed at the same level as his salary.[/quote]

        In fairness to Rolle, he's not been able to play pure safety since he's been here. I will say he has turned out to be a positive locker room force.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


        • #5
          Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

          thanks Roanoke!

          im thinking bout this d-line....i believe as covered in one of news could be the greatest ever!

          Go Giants!



          • #6
            Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

            [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="BeatYale"]Good morning!

            I sort of agree with the article about Rolle. He hasn't performed at the same level as his salary.[/quote]

            In fairness to Rolle, he's not been able to play pure safety since he's been here.* I will say he has turned out to be a positive locker room force.

            True, he did have to play a lot in the slot.

            Regarding locker room presence. Everyone seems to have a good vibe when the team is winning. True colors show when the team is losing and/or just had a losing season. Rolle, if I remember correctly from the 2010 season, bad mouthed the team in the media and then was criticized by teammates for not manning up and saying those things in the locker room. After the season ended he started barking about how he'd rather play for Rex Ryan and mentioned it was no fun playing for Coughlin.

            I don't believe the guy bleeds blue like Justin Tuck does.

            Edit: Correction, he said the Giants would be a better team if Coughlin was more like Ryan.

            “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”


            • #7
              Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

              [quote user="BeatYale"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="BeatYale"]Good morning!

              I sort of agree with the article about Rolle. He hasn't performed at the same level as his salary.[/quote]

              In fairness to Rolle, he's not been able to play pure safety since he's been here. I will say he has turned out to be a positive locker room force.

              True, he did have to play a lot in the slot.

              Regarding locker room presence. Everyone seems to have a good vibe when the team is winning. True colors show when the team is losing and/or just had a losing season. Rolle, if I remember correctly from the 2010 season, bad mouthed the team in the media and then was criticized by teammates for not manning up and saying those things in the locker room. After the season ended he started barking about how he'd rather play for Rex Ryan and mentioned it was no fun playing for Coughlin.

              I don't believe the guy bleeds blue like Justin Tuck does.

              Edit: Correction, he said the Giants would be a better team if Coughlin was more like Ryan.[/quote]

              I don't think you recall it correctly. He called a spade a spade. One of his comments had to do with practicing. A lot of players, including Tuck at that particular time, were taking practices off and then playing in games and not being fully prepared. Tuck was one of the players who acknowledged that Rolle was right.

              When asked, TC simply said he would have preferred Rolle had not gone public with his remarks, inferring he wasn't wrong in his assessment.

              As for his comments on Coughlin, Phillips who was also quoted as preferring Ryan, backed off those remarks immediately and Rolle, to his credit, eventually came around to Coughlin's philosophy. It's not a perfect world, employees don't have to agree with the boss to get the job done.

              No player in recent memory was more challenging to the coaching staff than Plaxico Burress. They put up with far more from him.

              The bottom line is that Rolle was ALL-IN when it counted as was everyone else.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


              • #8
                Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

                nice story on Hill
                thanks RF


                • #9
                  Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

                  [quote user="G-Men Surg."]Good morning ! Thanks RF ![/quote]

                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


                  • #10
                    Re: NEWS, NOTES, RUMORS, AND GOSSIP: SUNDAY, JULY 1, 2012 - 11:41 A.M.

                    [quote user="fourth&forever"]nice story on Hill
                    thanks RF[/quote]

                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1