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    GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND



    "ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
    around
    . Hakeem Nicks
    of the New York Giants,
    who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
    isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end Jason
    Pierre-Paul
    , 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


    How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
    defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
    season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
    named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
    game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
    craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
    league among defensive ends in 2011.





    In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
    more than Nicks does.







    It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller
    being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
    quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
    grade.





    There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
    in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks Robert
    Griffin III
    and Andrew Luck,
    running back Trent
    Richardson
    and offensive tackle Matt Kalil. I
    can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
    Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
    anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
    already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
    the league."


    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

    LOL. Really now? You don't even need to be a homer to realize that he should be on the list

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    • #3
      Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

      [quote user="RoanokeFan"]GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND



      "ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
      around
      . Hakeem Nicks
      of the New York Giants,
      who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
      isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end Jason
      Pierre-Paul
      , 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


      How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
      defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
      season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
      named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
      game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
      craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
      league among defensive ends in 2011.





      In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
      more than Nicks does.







      It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller
      being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
      quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
      grade.





      There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
      in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks Robert
      Griffin III
      and Andrew Luck,
      running back Trent
      Richardson
      and offensive tackle Matt Kalil. I
      can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
      Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
      anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
      already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
      the league."

      [/quote]

      Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.

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      • #4
        Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

        [quote user="njersey"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND



        "ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
        around
        . Hakeem Nicks
        of the New York Giants,
        who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
        isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end Jason
        Pierre-Paul
        , 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


        How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
        defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
        season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
        named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
        game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
        craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
        league among defensive ends in 2011.





        In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
        more than Nicks does.







        It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller
        being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
        quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
        grade.





        There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
        in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks Robert
        Griffin III
        and Andrew Luck,
        running back Trent
        Richardson
        and offensive tackle Matt Kalil. I
        can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
        Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
        anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
        already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
        the league."

        [/quote]

        Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.[/quote]

        Yet we all do that. How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season? It's just the nature of the beast. News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #5
          Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

          I feel bad for people who pay extra for espn insider for garbage like this

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          • #6
            Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

            JPP is still raw.

            /red

            Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.

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            • #7
              Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

              [quote user="fourth&forever"]JPP is still raw.

              /red

              Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.[/quote]

              It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="njersey"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND



                "ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
                around
                . Hakeem Nicks
                of the New York Giants,
                who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
                isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end Jason
                Pierre-Paul
                , 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


                How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
                defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
                season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
                named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
                game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
                craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
                league among defensive ends in 2011.





                In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
                more than Nicks does.







                It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller
                being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
                quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
                grade.





                There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
                in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks Robert
                Griffin III
                and Andrew Luck,
                running back Trent
                Richardson
                and offensive tackle Matt Kalil. I
                can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
                Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
                anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
                already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
                the league."

                [/quote]

                Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.[/quote]

                Yet we all do that.* How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season?* It's just the nature of the beast.* News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.
                [/quote]

                Of course you're right, RF.

                But none of us here (presumably) are associated with a professional sports news org of some repute, nor are paid for our "professional" opinion.

                Joyner's readers -- and ESPN readers and viewers in general -- deserve better, in my opinion. (Maybe too much to ask for).

                The fact that he values a WR over a DE as a position to build a team around, not to mention he lists a RB--rookie or not--as a position to build a team around, reads more like an opinion of a 13 year old who has just begun to follow the NFL rather than a professional sports analyst.

                If nothing else, he could have at least checked with the owner of the Saints about the value of building a team around a highly prized RB, (circa 1999).

                Yes, it's an "opinion of the writer", but wouldn't you think the opinion should reveal a little bit more thought and/or savvy than what one sees on a typical team's fan message board?

                And, if not, then either the writer for an organization like ESPN should not be paid for his/her opinion, or WE should be paid for ours. IM(unpaid)O.

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                • #9
                  Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                  [quote user="gmen46"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="njersey"][quote user="RoanokeFan"]GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND



                  "ESPN Insider KC Joyner recently penned an article declaring his top 10 NFL players under the age of 25 to build a franchise
                  around
                  . Hakeem Nicks
                  of the New York Giants,
                  who is still just 24, checks in on Joyner's list at No. 6. That's fine. What
                  isn't fine, in my mind is that defensive end Jason
                  Pierre-Paul
                  , 23, is nowhere to be found on Joyner's list.


                  How is that possible? Here is a kid who, at the age of 23, is the best
                  defensive player on the defending Super Bowl champions. A guy who, in his second
                  season in the league in 2011, was fourth in the league with 16.5 sacks, and was
                  named an All-Pro. A guy who is probably the most athletic defensive end in the
                  game, and is already virtually unblockable at times while still learning his
                  craft. Pierre-Paul had a +30.3 grade from Pro Football Focus, sixth in the
                  league among defensive ends in 2011.





                  In all honesty, based purely on upside, I think JPP belongs on this list even
                  more than Nicks does.







                  It is really difficult to argue with Denver linebacker Von Miller
                  being on the list after a rookie season that saw him register 12 sacks, 19
                  quarterback hits, 29 hurries and 65 tackles along with an astounding +50.4 PFF
                  grade.





                  There are, however, four players on Joyner's list who have yet to play a down
                  in the NFL. Those are quarterbacks Robert
                  Griffin III
                  and Andrew Luck,
                  running back Trent
                  Richardson
                  and offensive tackle Matt Kalil. I
                  can almost understand putting RGIII and Luck on the list, but Richardson or
                  Kalil? What is Joyner thinking? Really, in my mind, hard to justify putting
                  anyone who has yet to play a snap on the list ahead of a 23-year-old All Pro who
                  already has to be in the conversation when discussing best defensive players in
                  the league."

                  [/quote]

                  Another dumb list. How can you put players on any list if they haven't even played, yet???? Whatever.[/quote]

                  Yet we all do that. How many of us have crowned David Wilson a starter this season and Da'Rel Scott a starter last season? It's just the nature of the beast. News articles are nothing more than the opinion of the writer.
                  [/quote]

                  Of course you're right, RF.

                  But none of us here (presumably) are associated with a professional sports news org of some repute, nor are paid for our "professional" opinion.

                  Joyner's readers -- and ESPN readers and viewers in general -- deserve better, in my opinion. (Maybe too much to ask for).

                  The fact that he values a WR over a DE as a position to build a team around, not to mention he lists a RB--rookie or not--as a position to build a team around, reads more like an opinion of a 13 year old who has just begun to follow the NFL rather than a professional sports analyst.

                  If nothing else, he could have at least checked with the owner of the Saints about the value of building a team around a highly prized RB, (circa 1999).

                  Yes, it's an "opinion of the writer", but wouldn't you think the opinion should reveal a little bit more thought and/or savvy than what one sees on a typical team's fan message board?

                  And, if not, then either the writer for an organization like ESPN should not be paid for his/her opinion, or WE should be paid for ours. IM(unpaid)O.[/quote]

                  I honestly don't think those who get paid to speak their minds are necessarily any more informed than we fans sometimes.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="fourth&forever"]JPP is still raw.

                    /red

                    Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.[/quote]

                    It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.
                    [/quote]

                    Cruz is 25

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                    • #11
                      Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                      Joyner missed the boat on JPP, or had an oversight.

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                      • #12
                        Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                        [quote user="lawl"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="fourth&forever"]JPP is still raw.

                        /red

                        Lunacy. JPP should be near the top of the list when it comes to both tapped and untapped potential.[/quote]

                        It could also e argued that Victor Cruz should have made the list.
                        [/quote]

                        Cruz is 25[/quote]

                        Kill Joy lol
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #13
                          Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                          Just out of curiosity, can you post the list, Roanoke?

                          I honestly don't get this at all. Not that his list is important, but geez you're in the sports broadcasting business. It's your job to know the game and the best players are. How can you miss the boat on JPP. If I missed obvious facts in my job I would be fired.

                          I love Nicks and I think the best is yet to come with him. He will be a great WR. But him over JPP?....

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                          • #14
                            Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                            I actually have no problem with a guy not making a list after 1 productive year. What if I was just a 1 year deal? I don't believe that JPP or Cruz are 1 year wonders, but we have seen it happen before.

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                            • #15
                              Re: GIANTS' JASON PIERRE-PAUL NOT ON LIST OF YOUNG PLAYERS TO BUILD AROUND

                              He may have just left out the 2012 NFL Sack winner. Lol
                              Football has been very, very good to us.
                              After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                              But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                              # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                              1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                              2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                              3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                              4-New York Giants!!!
                              5-NE
                              Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                              ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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