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    I was watching a clip about how eli has developed over his career, and Eric Mangini made the point that Eli is the best example of how you'd want a qb to develop over his career once being drafted by a team.

    So, that made me wonder, which would you guys prefer;
    Have a QB like Peyton come in who pretty much fully develops over one season, and reach his potential/ceiling after that year

    or

    a QB like Eli, who develops over the course of his career. WHo isn't nearly as effective as early as a qb like peyton, but who ultimately may have a higher ceiling and level of play in his prime

    I actually think thats what happened with Rivers. He hit his ceiling almost immediately, but thats where his play will max out...

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    Re: Which would you prefer?

    The mighty Peyton was not going to be denied. He broke records right and left, his onfield presence was something to reckon with. He won a superbowl title in his 7th season (2006 season).

    Eli faltered some, still broke records tho, his onfield presence scared no one. He won a lombardi in his 4th season (2007 season). Now I think of him as the mighty Eli. I still love Peyton, but Eli has arrived.

    Im not sure which was the best route to take. Not Peyton's way or Eli's way, but the man himself would be my preference.

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    • #3
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      [quote user="ashleymarie"]The mighty Peyton was not going to be denied. He broke records right and left, his onfield presence was something to reckon with. He won a superbowl title in his 7th season (2006 season).

      Eli faltered some, still broke records tho, his onfield presence scared no one. He won a lombardi in his 4th season (2007 season). Now I think of him as the mighty Eli. I still love Peyton, but Eli has arrived.[/quote]

      you cant go wrong with either type of qb. but which would u prefer, a more immediate success with somewhat limited upside, or a more prolonged development and a higher upside?

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      • #4
        Re: Which would you prefer?

        I prefer the MAN himself to the way he arrived to his current station. I love Peyton. I love Eli. Eli has a better team behind him and in front of him. He isn't as flashy as Peyton. I would choose Eli.

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        • #5
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          [quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="ashleymarie"]The mighty Peyton was not going to be denied. He broke records right and left, his onfield presence was something to reckon with. He won a superbowl title in his 7th season (2006 season). Eli faltered some, still broke records tho, his onfield presence scared no one. He won a lombardi in his 4th season (2007 season). Now I think of him as the mighty Eli. I still love Peyton, but Eli has arrived.[/quote] you cant go wrong with either type of qb. but which would u prefer, a more immediate success with somewhat limited upside, or a more prolonged development and a higher upside?[/quote]I am not understanding this question at all. In one section you talk about Peyton reaching a high level sooner in his career but then you talk abouta quarterback with more immediate success with somewhat limited upside. Is that how you define Peyton's trajectory? I am totally confused here.
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          • #6
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            I think the confusion comes because you introduce names and personalities. Let me simplify this without the names. Would you rather have an elite quaterback who's skils can win you a Super Bowl for 15 prime years or one that will be at that level for8 years?




            At that point it's a simple math questions. Those of you who chose8 years will need to repeat the class. []

            No one remembers who came in second.

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            • #7
              Re: Which would you prefer?

              I also think a team owner/manager/coach would like to have a Peyton-like qb development. Fast and thorough. Someone to dominate the game from the get-go.

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              • #8
                Re: Which would you prefer?

                Peyton's, because the ceiling he has set and consistently reached for 11 straight years has arguably entrenched him as the best QB to ever play the game.
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                • #9
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                  [quote user="ashleymarie"]The mighty Peyton was not going to be denied. He broke records right and left, his onfield presence was something to reckon with. He won a superbowl title in his 7th season (2006 season).

                  Eli faltered some, still broke records tho, his onfield presence scared no one. He won a lombardi in his 4th season (2007 season). Now I think of him as the mighty Eli. I still love Peyton, but Eli has arrived.

                  Im not sure which was the best route to take. Not Peyton's way or Eli's way, but the man himself would be my preference.[/quote]

                  Just for clarification Peyton won his first in his 9th season (1998-2006) I believe he played and started his entire rookie season, so you can't really skip over it
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                  • #10
                    Re: Which would you prefer?

                    [quote user="giantsfan420"]I was watching a clip about how eli has developed over his career, and Eric Mangini made the point that Eli is the best example of how you'd want a qb to develop over his career once being drafted by a team.

                    So, that made me wonder, which would you guys prefer;
                    Have a QB like Peyton come in who pretty much fully develops over one season, and reach his potential/ceiling after that year

                    or

                    a QB like Eli, who develops over the course of his career. WHo isn't nearly as effective as early as a qb like peyton, but who ultimately may have a higher ceiling and level of play in his prime

                    I actually think thats what happened with Rivers. He hit his ceiling almost immediately, but thats where his play will max out...[/quote]

                    So....because Eli hasn't been as productive or consistent as others at his position, it means he hasn't hit his potential. Meanwhile for a guy like Rivers, who's dusted Eli statistically through out the years, it means a ceiling has been hit and his production will flat line?

                    Excellent logic.

                    What exactly is your criteria for determining that a player has hit a ceiling / capped his potential?


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                    • #11
                      Re: Which would you prefer?

                      [quote user="jomo"][quote user="giantsfan420"][quote user="ashleymarie"]The mighty Peyton was not going to be denied. He broke records right and left, his onfield presence was something to reckon with. He won a superbowl title in his 7th season (2006 season). Eli faltered some, still broke records tho, his onfield presence scared no one. He won a lombardi in his 4th season (2007 season). Now I think of him as the mighty Eli. I still love Peyton, but Eli has arrived.[/quote] you cant go wrong with either type of qb. but which would u prefer, a more immediate success with somewhat limited upside, or a more prolonged development and a higher upside?[/quote]I am not understanding this question at all. In one section you talk about Peyton reaching a high level sooner in his career but then you talk about*a quarterback with more immediate success with somewhat limited upside. Is that how you define Peyton's trajectory? I am totally confused here.[/quote]

                      i should have been more clear. i am not talking about peytoon specifically, but qbs who have that similar entering the league and reaching their ceiling quick, but not being able to improve upon that level. i was confusing i know, sorry bout that. peyton was the best example i could think of a player coming in and being pretty much at the level he's gonna be at for his career.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Which would you prefer?

                        [quote user="jomo"]

                        I think the confusion comes because you introduce names and personalities. Let me simplify this without the names. Would you rather have an elite quaterback who's skils can win you a Super Bowl for 15 prime years or one that will be at that level for*8 years?




                        At that point it's a simple math questions. Those of you who chose*8 years will need to repeat the class. []

                        [/quote]

                        or 1 sb in 15 yrs or 2 in 8...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Which would you prefer?

                          [quote user="BeatYale"][quote user="giantsfan420"]I was watching a clip about how eli has developed over his career, and Eric Mangini made the point that Eli is the best example of how you'd want a qb to develop over his career once being drafted by a team.

                          So, that made me wonder, which would you guys prefer;
                          Have a QB like Peyton come in who pretty much fully develops over one season, and reach his potential/ceiling after that year

                          or

                          a QB like Eli, who develops over the course of his career. WHo isn't nearly as effective as early as a qb like peyton, but who ultimately may have a higher ceiling and level of play in his prime

                          I actually think thats what happened with Rivers. He hit his ceiling almost immediately, but thats where his play will max out...[/quote]

                          So....because Eli hasn't been as productive or consistent as others at his position, it means he hasn't hit his potential. Meanwhile for a guy like Rivers, who's dusted Eli statistically through out the years, it means a ceiling has been hit and his production will flat line?

                          Excellent logic.

                          What exactly is your criteria for determining that a player has hit a ceiling / capped his potential?[/quote]

                          i def would characterize like that. rivers came in, was more successful earlier. but he is/was a finished product. he wasnt gonna get any better, what you saw with rivers his 3rd season, is what you'll see with his 9th. whereas eli, who rivers outperformed for their earlier part of their careers, is prob just coming into his prime/ceiling.

                          edit- and my criteria is not being able to improve on numbers and aspects of their game

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                          • #14
                            Re: Which would you prefer?

                            The more years of great play the better. It'd probably be better to be great earlier in your career when the QB is making less money so the talent around him is even better.

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="lawl"]The more years of great play the better. It'd probably be better to be great earlier in your career when the QB is making less money so the talent around him is even better.[/quote]

                              i agree. fiscally, that would clearly be the better option.

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