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    Our Offense is Triple AAA ..And getting better !....But what are we going to do with our Defense ? Can't let the Offense carry all the weight ! IT HAS TO BE 50/50

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    Originally posted by BillTheGreek View Post
    Our Offense is Triple AAA ..And getting better !....But what are we going to do with our Defense ? Can't let the Offense carry all the weight ! IT HAS TO BE 50/50
    lol, let me direct your attention to our offensive line.
    No one remembers who came in second.

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    • #3
      the Giants offense is NOT AAA...
      the run game is poor, the QB protection is questionable, and no proven TE or #3 WR as of yet.

      The D has some holes to fill too but far from the O carrying all the weight.

      BTW....no team is 50/50....
      "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
      You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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      • #4
        I like to look at us as a more balanced team.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GameTime View Post
          the Giants offense is NOT AAA...
          the run game is poor, the QB protection is questionable, and no proven TE or #3 WR as of yet.

          The D has some holes to fill too but far from the O carrying all the weight.

          BTW....no team is 50/50....
          OK 40/ 47........... BTW ...I down graded the O to AA
          Last edited by BillTheGreek; 08-17-2012, 03:04 PM.

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          • #6
            Not sure I can get on board with what you are selling...Think the O-line needs some shoring up and that will be a big deal.

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            • #7
              Listening to Sirius today on the way home, talking about Eli and they went back to the D-Line, yes the D-Line was great in the last 6 games last year but there would have been only 16 games instead of 20 if Eli didn't bail them out the rest of the season.
              Forget the Past, Live for the Future!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
                Listening to Sirius today on the way home, talking about Eli and they went back to the D-Line, yes the D-Line was great in the last 6 games last year but there would have been only 16 games instead of 20 if Eli didn't bail them out the rest of the season.
                Eli definitely put them on his back last year and carried them. When he didn't carry them he kept them close. I still think the turning point was Dallas when JPP single handedly took over the game. The Giants seemed motivated ever since. He is the new Bo Jackson...on defense of course....even though I could've sworn he threw himself a touchdown pass and even blocked for himself as he got a clean throw off.

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                • #9
                  As is known, the O-line is shoddy at best. The only things we got were Locklear in free agency and a couple of projects in the late rounds. It depends on whether or not Locklear can step up and play LT at this point. If he can do that, Beatty's injury problems can at least be managed in the meantime, and we can swing DD over to right tackle. If Locklear can step up AND Beatty gets healthy, there's our tackles right there. But I don't think Beatty will be all that healthy early on.

                  The skill positions, at least, have been restocked with fresh blood, if not dramatically improved. Bennett will be more than enough to play Ballard's role, and someone will step up to be the #3 WR. With Eli leading it, this offense combines the positive effects of the run-and-shoot offense (option routes, read and react) with the west coast offense (getting the short passes to stretch the field, also helps mask o-line problems in pass protection if Eli can get the ball out before a pass rusher can get to him). Granted, we got that way because our running game failed to develop in 2011, but at least we know that Eli will do whatever is required to support the team.

                  As for defense, I think for the early part of the year it was a bit schizophrenic. We've always loaded our defense up front, and we live and die by the pass rush. PF comes in and manages the defense from the back. It was brutal to watch. But then as players came back online from injury, PF learned what he could do with the personnel we have, and thus our defense found its center again.

                  I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                    the Giants offense is NOT AAA...the run game is poor, the QB protection is questionable, and no proven TE or #3 WR as of yet.The D has some holes to fill too but far from the O carrying all the weight. BTW....no team is 50/50....
                    I like how our team seeks to improve in a lot of areas and we are the defending champs. You don't see us sitting back resting on our laurels like past champions have
                    Football has been very, very good to us.
                    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                    4-New York Giants!!!
                    5-NE
                    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by GameTime
                      the Giants offense is NOT AAA...the run game is poor, the QB protection is questionable, and no proven TE or #3 WR as of yet.The D has some holes to fill too but far from the O carrying all the weight. BTW....no team is 50/50....


                      Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                      I like how our team seeks to improve in a lot of areas and we are the defending champs. You don't see us sitting back resting on our laurels like past champions have
                      Din't mean to sound pessimistic. I agree with you that they do go after to improve in the areas they are lacking. Just getting back at the OP for making the O sound like world beaters and D seem like a trash. I am fully confident they will get things squared away. The Oline will be the biggets issue due to injury, talent, and chemistry (or lack tthere of).
                      "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                      You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                      • #12
                        (preparing for a barrage)

                        Eli carried this team through much of last season.
                        1) Running game sucked up until the playoffs
                        2) Defense was soft many games and sometimes on-field fainting occured /sarcasm
                        3) Niners playoff game? O-Line just about disappeared, Eli had the heart of a lion that game

                        Defense
                        1) JPP was a pleseant surprise, banged up 2ndary gave up some head-scratchers
                        2) Again come playoff time, and the what 3 or 4 games in front of, they stepped up considerably.

                        I agree no Team is 50/50

                        BUT all I want is CONSISTENCY throughout the SEASON.

                        I would prefer Ball-Control, Clock Management on Offense. Failing that, light the scoreboard up and force the opposing team to catch up

                        I would prefer a decent steady pass rush, to be a top 5 Defensive team in takeaways and QB Pressure and to do whatevers neccesary to minimize the likes of Desean Jackson, Avant, Dez Bryant, and a (healthy) Witten ...


                        NFL Championships : 1927 1934 1938 1956 Super Bowl Champions: XXI XXV XLII XLVI

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                        • #13
                          The only thing I would embellish here is that no Osi and effectively no Tuck was a big part of the Defensive inconsistency earlier on. Once they were both clicking, I don't remember the D laying an egg. Same can kind of be said re" the OL except that the guys we got back there from injury are pretty ordinary when compared to JT and Osi. We have much work to do on the OL in order to have a consistent offensive scheme.
                          No one remembers who came in second.

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                          • #14
                            yeah, I am really surprised that more wasn't done to improve the O Line. Shuffling guys around does only so much.


                            NFL Championships : 1927 1934 1938 1956 Super Bowl Champions: XXI XXV XLII XLVI

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by giantyankee1976 View Post
                              (preparing for a barrage)

                              Eli carried this team through much of last season.
                              1) Running game sucked up until the playoffs
                              2) Defense was soft many games and sometimes on-field fainting occured /sarcasm
                              3) Niners playoff game? O-Line just about disappeared, Eli had the heart of a lion that game

                              Defense
                              1) JPP was a pleseant surprise, banged up 2ndary gave up some head-scratchers
                              2) Again come playoff time, and the what 3 or 4 games in front of, they stepped up considerably.

                              I agree no Team is 50/50

                              BUT all I want is CONSISTENCY throughout the SEASON.

                              I would prefer Ball-Control, Clock Management on Offense. Failing that, light the scoreboard up and force the opposing team to catch up

                              I would prefer a decent steady pass rush, to be a top 5 Defensive team in takeaways and QB Pressure and to do whatevers neccesary to minimize the likes of Desean Jackson, Avant, Dez Bryant, and a (healthy) Witten ...
                              OK......... Your right ,the Giants seem to play catch up all the time ......look at Eli in the Last quarter,of most of his games, 2 to 3 minutes left in the game, down by one score ,and we all say here goes Eli again ! Sure it's exciting, and thank God he won most of the games...........That's what makes him Great ! But on the other hand , let them do what you said , Ball-Control, Clock Management ,light the scoreboard up and force the opposing team to catch up for a change!

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