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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...content_stream

    i think GB carries 5-6 maybe 8 lol receivers on their roster.
    we might start seeing a little more of the spread Offense in New york if this WR by committee thing is what goes down come season time

    we know Nicks/Cruz/Randle and for most parts Jerrnigan is safe who are the next two.
    yes i know....."NOT another receiver thread, somebody slit my keyboards wrist."
    but i think we can all agree that if you take out the respective QB's of each system NO, GB, PAT's and plug in Eli the numbers in stats won't be that far off; the only thing limiting Eli from going off on these suckas is
    1. we are a run first
    2. personally i dont think we have th Oline for it
    3. we've never had a plethora of receivers with different or situational attributes to pull it off

    Now i think we do. you have your speed Slot guys in Cruz/jerrnigan/ Depalma/ Talley
    Possesion receivers in Nicks i think hixon falls into this category as well?!?! personally
    Big men in randle/stanback/ Barden
    and i don't know where to put Collins/ Douglas yet

    Eli is a QB that makes his receivers better and if they can get this system down we can have most cornerbacks sounding liek carlos rodgers in the NFCC game when he faced cruz.

    i've always felt that eli can be elite in a spread offense its just that we don't run it or never had the WR core for it. this year might be different it will be interesting to see what the roster make up is come beginning of the season.

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    Nice post. When you look at the roster and the personnel we have, it could match to a spread offense.

    Eli - Top 5 in making reads and adjustments at the line. Goes through his progressions like an NFL QB is supposed to. Can make all the throws.

    Bradshaw - Consistently ranked top 5 in pass protection which would be vital from a RB in a spread.

    OL - Even though they ranked dead last in pressures allowed, I'd still prefer them in pass blocking over the run game.

    WR - Versatility all over. Deep threats, middle of the field, short range...Combined with Eli's awesome defense reading, this is a huge strength.

    TE - Work in progress but Bennett is looking good so far and Robinson could contribute in a year or two.

    Last but not least...Hynoski! Huge plus to have that pass catching threat from the backfield.

    This offense has the potential to score 28+ points a game if everyone can be on the same level. The talent is too great for it not to happen. Oh and I left out Wilson too. Just way too many people on the offensive side of the ball to get excited for.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...content_stream

      i think GB carries 5-6 maybe 8 lol receivers on their roster.
      we might start seeing a little more of the spread Offense in New york if this WR by committee thing is what goes down come season time

      we know Nicks/Cruz/Randle and for most parts Jerrnigan is safe who are the next two.
      yes i know....."NOT another receiver thread, somebody slit my keyboards wrist."
      but i think we can all agree that if you take out the respective QB's of each system NO, GB, PAT's and plug in Eli the numbers in stats won't be that far off; the only thing limiting Eli from going off on these suckas is
      1. we are a run first
      2. personally i dont think we have th Oline for it
      3. we've never had a plethora of receivers with different or situational attributes to pull it off

      Now i think we do. you have your speed Slot guys in Cruz/jerrnigan/ Depalma/ Talley
      Possesion receivers in Nicks i think hixon falls into this category as well?!?! personally
      Big men in randle/stanback/ Barden
      and i don't know where to put Collins/ Douglas yet

      Eli is a QB that makes his receivers better and if they can get this system down we can have most cornerbacks sounding liek carlos rodgers in the NFCC game when he faced cruz.

      i've always felt that eli can be elite in a spread offense its just that we don't run it or never had the WR core for it. this year might be different it will be interesting to see what the roster make up is come beginning of the season.
      I don't think Nicks would appreciate being called a possession receiver. He is as explosive as they come.

      And we haven't been a run first team in a few years now. People say it's because we haven't had success in the running game. Well call it what you want, But our QB has 9,000 yards in the past two seasons. This team is built for the verical passing game and we do it better than most teams in the NFL. It is what it is. These ain't your fathers Giants anymore.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
        I don't think Nicks would appreciate being called a possession receiver. He is as explosive as they come.

        And we haven't been a run first team in a few years now. People say it's because we haven't had success in the running game. Well call it what you want, But our QB has 9,000 yards in the past two seasons. This team is built for the verical passing game and we do it better than most teams in the NFL. It is what it is. These ain't your fathers Giants anymore.
        hakeem nick did not run an explosive 40 time he has after the catch break away speed but he is not a burner like cruz (4.42-4.49) he was drafted cause of his catching ability at NC he is a possession receiver. non debatable

        now as far as us being a run first, you might be right to a degree since 2007 where we had 2000+ rushing yards and in 2008 where we had two 1000 yd rushers for a total of 2500+, 1800+ the next year, then 2200 the year after that. that brings us to ( 2010) then we had 1427 last year. personally i don't think the philosophy has changed we are still the run first play action offense, we might see that change up this year like it did last year but to say a team a has changed its offensive philosophy you would have to see that consistently for more than 3 seasons just one or two won't really say much.

        this is all in my opinion

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        • #5
          Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
          I don't think Nicks would appreciate being called a possession receiver. He is as explosive as they come.

          And we haven't been a run first team in a few years now. People say it's because we haven't had success in the running game. Well call it what you want, But our QB has 9,000 yards in the past two seasons. This team is built for the verical passing game and we do it better than most teams in the NFL. It is what it is. These ain't your fathers Giants anymore.
          Agree completely. We must adjust to how teams are evolving in the NFL. With all these QBs out there that can tear apart whatever defense they face, we need to keep up with them and a run first team doesn't cut it. It's extremely difficult to score 28-35 points while being a run first team. It shows with the way this team is evolving. Eli and his wide range of weapons should be enough to keep up with and outscore these powerful offenses that are popping up everywhere. While keeping up with the scoring, a defense that can simply slow down these QBs will then result in wins. This is exactly what we have and it's a great thing to watch.
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          • #6
            id say cruz is more "possession" wr than Nicks. both have downfield ability but i believe nicks is more of a threat in that aspect while cruz is more of an underneath YAC threat. Cruz works a lot from the slot and usually that means he's getting open as fast as possible...smith played from the slot like cruz but he just didnt have near the big play ability. cruz is a big play possession wr imo. nicks is a legit downfield threat possession type wr

            i mean both are really possession wr's in that they can give u 10 plus catches any given day for over a buck, but both can also burn u deep and with YAC

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            • #7
              I don't know how many of them we can keep or hide on practice squad or pup.. We seem to have to much talent and not enough space on roster for them all
              Football has been very, very good to us.
              After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
              But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

              # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

              1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
              2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
              3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
              4-New York Giants!!!
              5-NE
              Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

              ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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              • #8
                great problem to have

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                • #9
                  We have a better pass rush compared to the other elite offenses as well. In fact, with a defense that is more suited to stop the pass than the run, it only makes sense for us to adapt that "Quick strike and gain the lead" mentality. The bigger the lead we get, the more we force the opponent to pass the ball and in turn, we use our best players more often.

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                  • #10
                    ^ exactly, if this team can start gaining big leads and keeping them with the run the defense can tee off on opposing offenses then we can see the true destructive nature of our front four

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                    • #11
                      The offense looks really solid but make no mistake, this team will not be blowing teams out in the regular season. The coaching staff will continue to develop the run game to open up the pass. Excellent strategy by not messing with the success.

                      The WR competition is crazy though: Nicks, Cruz, Hixon, JJ12, RR82, Barden & Stanback might be the final roster. I think Douglass and Talley will be placed on the practice squad to hide them from the competition.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                        hakeem nick did not run an explosive 40 time he has after the catch break away speed but he is not a burner like cruz (4.42-4.49) he was drafted cause of his catching ability at NC he is a possession receiver. non debatable

                        now as far as us being a run first, you might be right to a degree since 2007 where we had 2000+ rushing yards and in 2008 where we had two 1000 yd rushers for a total of 2500+, 1800+ the next year, then 2200 the year after that. that brings us to ( 2010) then we had 1427 last year. personally i don't think the philosophy has changed we are still the run first play action offense, we might see that change up this year like it did last year but to say a team a has changed its offensive philosophy you would have to see that consistently for more than 3 seasons just one or two won't really say much.

                        this is all in my opinion
                        Well 1st off lemme say I hate the term "possession reciever." It is a term because it carries with it a meaning that is limmiting.

                        But, having said that 40 time does not determine if a guy is a possession receiver and Nicks is not a possession reciever. Nicks can be a possession guy but he certainly is not only that. A guy who average 15+ yards per catch is not a possession guy. 40 time is only a factor, but not the defining 1. People forget Plaxico ran 4.59, and its hard to say he was a possession receiver.

                        I also do not think we have been a run 1st offense since perhaps 2008. We are a balanced team, or at least we try to be according to the coaches.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                          hakeem nick did not run an explosive 40 time he has after the catch break away speed but he is not a burner like cruz (4.42-4.49) he was drafted cause of his catching ability at NC he is a possession receiver. non debatable

                          now as far as us being a run first, you might be right to a degree since 2007 where we had 2000+ rushing yards and in 2008 where we had two 1000 yd rushers for a total of 2500+, 1800+ the next year, then 2200 the year after that. that brings us to ( 2010) then we had 1427 last year. personally i don't think the philosophy has changed we are still the run first play action offense, we might see that change up this year like it did last year but to say a team a has changed its offensive philosophy you would have to see that consistently for more than 3 seasons just one or two won't really say much.

                          this is all in my opinion
                          Uhh. No. Very debatable.

                          Hakeem Nicks is one of the most complete wide receivers in the league. And he was solely drafted because of his catching ability? The guy is a wide receiver. I hope he can catch.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by greenca190 View Post
                            Uhh. No. Very debatable.

                            Hakeem Nicks is one of the most complete wide receivers in the league. And he was solely drafted because of his catching ability? The guy is a wide receiver. I hope he can catch.
                            not the fastest receiver.
                            good route runner,
                            great catching ability,
                            not every receiver coming out of the draft or transitioning from college to the pro, is a great receiver where their catch radius and percentage are stellar.
                            just because you can catch 5/10 balls don't make your skills great, nicks is a great possession receiver

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                              Well 1st off lemme say I hate the term "possession reciever." It is a term because it carries with it a meaning that is limmiting.

                              But, having said that 40 time does not determine if a guy is a possession receiver and Nicks is not a possession reciever. Nicks can be a possession guy but he certainly is not only that. A guy who average 15+ yards per catch is not a possession guy. 40 time is only a factor, but not the defining 1. People forget Plaxico ran 4.59, and its hard to say he was a possession receiver.

                              I also do not think we have been a run 1st offense since perhaps 2008. We are a balanced team, or at least we try to be according to the coaches.
                              lol why are you guys acting like possession receivers are a bad thing, they are great you know they are going to make the tough catches, and they run crisp routes, most QB's are looking for the possession receiver first, i.e eli to smith. nick is not the fastest receiver but with those hands and concentration and knowledge ofthis offense he catches most of what comes his way and runs good routes he knows how to get seperation using those routes and has break away speed but he doesn't have off the line speed. and as far as the run first offense; to be a pass first offense you have to have more spread whether that be 4 wide or trips, more shoutgun looks . i just didn't see that, to me last year we opened up as a more vertical threat than a run threat, and i expect us to do it more this year.

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