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    I don't consider this a compliment.......

    "His intensity has really picked up over the past two weeks or so,"

    What about his intensity before the past 2 weeks???

    http://www.northjersey.com/sports/16...d_his_job.html

  • #2
    Originally posted by OX1 View Post
    I don't consider this a compliment.......

    "His intensity has really picked up over the past two weeks or so,"

    What about his intensity before the past 2 weeks???

    http://www.northjersey.com/sports/16...d_his_job.html
    Of course its a compliment about Barden's play in the very recent past. It's not an endorsement for the HOF or that he'll even make the team
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • #3
      He was rather animated after that TD catch the other night. Never saw that before but, then again, there's never been reason for it.

      I see some good things in his technique. He "snaches" the ball out of the air. But it's still all about route running and getting separation (and Eli's confidence in him to do those things consistently). He did those things the other night better than he ever has. Maybe the "project" is starting to pay off.
      Last edited by krygny; 08-26-2012, 10:51 AM.
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      • #4
        Initially I had hope for the kid but one good game doesnt convince me he has turned a corner. BUt it was nice to see him actually play WR like an NFL player should
        "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
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        • #5
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          Of course its a compliment about Barden's play in the very recent past. It's not an endorsement for the HOF or that he'll even make the team
          Didn't mean that Eli was not trying to compliment him, but I still question the previous enthusiam.
          If you got that far and made a pro football team, but were not one of the staples of the team quite yet,
          wouldn't you want to seem like you were giving it all heck, even if your play was not that great yet?

          Now if Eli had said, "he has always had great intensity, his play has just picked up a couple notches in the past 2 weeks",
          I'd consider that a compliment.


          Look @ Weatherford. Can't get much more of a lock to make a team, but still going nuts, even in pre-season.
          Hopefully Barden's recent play is not just because he on the super bubble.

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          • #6
            The kid is a speciman, was never brought in as a project. Team has kept him because of his ability. He worked very hard this off season including working with Eli at local fields for weeks. His biggest problem to date has been his breaking ability on routes in this system, in practice so far, and on display Friday, it seems as if he has made great progress in that area. his hands are fantastic, and he is very quick for a guy his height. Could be a great addition this season.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seawolf47 View Post
              The kid is a speciman, was never brought in as a project. Team has kept him because of his ability. He worked very hard this off season including working with Eli at local fields for weeks. His biggest problem to date has been his breaking ability on routes in this system, in practice so far, and on display Friday, it seems as if he has made great progress in that area. his hands are fantastic, and he is very quick for a guy his height. Could be a great addition this season.
              Sorry, he's not a specimen, he's just big and I would agree athletic. (to me a specimen is a rare athletic talent, I wouldn't call him rare) That said, his tenacity is lacking and is evident watching him on speical teams. He get's nothing out of his wing pursuit which is as much mental as physical. That also shows itself in fighting for jump balls in passing routes. I have seen him muscled off by smaller DBacks who wanted the ball more. I hope he can build on his performance from the other night but he still needs to develop other dimensions in his game in order to be a good NFL receiver. Just one guy's opinion.......
              Last edited by jomo; 08-26-2012, 02:37 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by jomo View Post
                Sorry, he's not a specimen, he's just big and I would agree athletic. (to me a specimen is a rare athletic talent, I wouldn't call him rare) That said, his tenacity is lacking and is evident watching him on speical teams. He get's nothing out of his wing pursuit which is as much mental as physical. That also shows itself in fighting for jump balls in passing routes. I have seen him muscled off by smaller DBacks who wanted the ball more. I hope he can build on his performance from the other night but he still needs to develop other dimensions in his game in order to be a good NFL receiver. Just one guy's opinion.......
                He was out muscled last week ...he had great position and DID NOT use his size to keep the cb from getting around him on a slant...I know that is one time....but it is symptom of why he struggles......he has the size ....he does not know how or is afraid to use it
                "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seawolf47 View Post
                  The kid is a speciman, was never brought in as a project. Team has kept him because of his ability. He worked very hard this off season including working with Eli at local fields for weeks. His biggest problem to date has been his breaking ability on routes in this system, in practice so far, and on display Friday, it seems as if he has made great progress in that area. his hands are fantastic, and he is very quick for a guy his height. Could be a great addition this season.
                  Actually, he was brought in as a project. Reese admitted as much after he was drafted.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                    He was out muscled last week ...he had great position and DID NOT use his size to keep the cb from getting around him on a slant...I know that is one time....but it is symptom of why he struggles......he has the size ....he does not know how or is afraid to use it
                    It is the same timidity that I see on special teams.
                    No one remembers who came in second.

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                    • #11
                      Why is everyone so in love with Barden? He has done nothing since being drafted!
                      ALL IN!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jomo View Post
                        Sorry, he's not a specimen, he's just big and I would agree athletic. (to me a specimen is a rare athletic talent, I wouldn't call him rare) That said, his tenacity is lacking and is evident watching him on speical teams. He get's nothing out of his wing pursuit which is as much mental as physical. That also shows itself in fighting for jump balls in passing routes. I have seen him muscled off by smaller DBacks who wanted the ball more. I hope he can build on his performance from the other night but he still needs to develop other dimensions in his game in order to be a good NFL receiver. Just one guy's opinion.......
                        Great points on his special teams performance to be sure. However he is a speciman, he is 6'6" and very quick with the ability to extend and get low. Being a speciman does not make him a great football player, but physically he is one to be sure. I can't say I agree with ever seeing smaller guys out fight him during plays, I assume you are referring to camp performance. I am sure it has happened, I have just not seen it. He still needs work, By no means am I suggesting a starting role yet, but his off season work appears to be paying off. Timing is such a big part of the game, look only to Cruz's success as the benchmark for that fact. There again is another guy who worked all winter and spring with Eli at local spots to help his chances. Not to suggest in anyway that a similar result is pending for Ramses, just pointing out that the extra work with your QB can be the difference between success and failure at this level.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seawolf47 View Post
                          Great points on his special teams performance to be sure. However he is a speciman, he is 6'6" and very quick with the ability to extend and get low. Being a speciman does not make him a great football player, but physically he is one to be sure. I can't say I agree with ever seeing smaller guys out fight him during plays, I assume you are referring to camp performance. I am sure it has happened, I have just not seen it. He still needs work, By no means am I suggesting a starting role yet, but his off season work appears to be paying off. Timing is such a big part of the game, look only to Cruz's success as the benchmark for that fact. There again is another guy who worked all winter and spring with Eli at local spots to help his chances. Not to suggest in anyway that a similar result is pending for Ramses, just pointing out that the extra work with your QB can be the difference between success and failure at this level.
                          If you saw the Jets game last week....there was a perfect example

                          The old saying is you can't teach speed...you also can't teach height...unfortunatley neither guarantees you can play wide receiver
                          "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

                          1st to use the phrase "In Reese we trust"

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                          • #14
                            When did you notice a smaller defensive back out muscle him for position? i will certainly look again, what series in the game was it? I was not suggesting it couldnt be true, just that I had not seen it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fansince69 View Post

                              If you saw the Jets game last week....there was a perfect example

                              The old saying is you can't teach speed...you also can't teach height...unfortunatley neither guarantees you can play wide receiver
                              Absolutely, he has both in great quantities by the way which is why the coaching staff keeps investing in him. As I have been saying, if his off season work is paying off it would be a great thing for the team, thats all.

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