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    to spite your face is an old cliche, but isn't that an exact description and result of actions taken against Bradshaw for missing curfew, keeping him out of the game, a very important game.
    Discipline must be maintained and rules followed, but I believe that keeping a major player out of an important game like last nights has a negative impact on the entire team and the coaches who need wins to stay employed. It's the same as penalizing the entire team and fans because of one misfit???
    What other kind of penalty, other than a huge fine, should Coughlin or other HC's employ other than "sit-a-star?"

  • #2
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    I'm just wondering if the timeframe was layed down immediately or if coughlin felt he could sit him for the entire half AFTER seeing how Jacob's was running.

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    • #3
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      So just penalize the crappy players?




      Everyone has to be treated the same or else there will be no discipline.




      I laud TC for sitting Bradshaw.

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      • #4
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        [quote user="GMENAGAIN"]

        So just penalize the crappy players?




        Everyone has to be treated the same or else there will be no discipline.




        I laud TC for sitting Bradshaw.

        [/quote]

        I actually think this was more about stategy than anything and on 2 levels.

        number 1 the Cowboys didn't expect to see Jacobs back there that often that early so they needed to adjust. You prepare for a combo of Bradshaw and Jacobs and you get Jacobs and Ware. Element of surprise.

        2) Jacobs was working so there's no reason to rush Bradshaw back.

        I think Bradshaw might have missed just 1 series if the game dictated that he needed to be out there.
        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

        Burier: Yes.

        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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        • #5
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          With the way the BJ ran, I don't see how you could suggest this. Jacobs ran better than Bradshaw last night and Coughlin made his point that no single player is more important than the team.
          My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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          • #6
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            Sorry... But its "cutting your nose to spite your face". How do you bite your own nose?

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            • #7
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              Wewon. TC did the right thing. BJ was pumped. Everything worked-out and TC still has his credibility with the rest of the players.

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              • #8
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                Maybe I didn't make the point of the post clear This type of penalizing affects the whole team and may affect performance of the whole team.
                That type penalizing against one player is unfair to everyone else who have to make up the abscence of talent.
                I never said anything about not penaliizing a player, just find a penalty that does not penalize the entire team because of one. Sometimes referred to as "throwing out the baby with the bath water."
                And if Jacobs had a lousy first 1/4 or first 1/2 everyone would have been calling for Coughlin's head

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                • #9
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                  If TC had allowed Bradshaw to break the rules without consequence because he runs faster than a lesser player, he would lose a ton of respect as a leader of men.

                  Carl Banks was talking about this issue this morning. He said that it is well documented that Coughlin and Bradshaw are very close. He mentored him through a lot of tough situations and is really fond of the kid. Must of been really tough to follow through with the discipline.

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                  • #10
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                    Don't see what was wrong with this, Jacobs played a good game anyway. Bradshaw got what he deserved, and I expect a good game from him next weekend, fire the guy up!

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                    • #11
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                      It's the old question, usually asked of High School FB coaches: "Do you support your school's suspending/ benching your starting QB on the day of "the big game" for some school rule infraction , or do you fight the (deserved) penalty for the good of the team?? (see Wayne Hills NJ)

                      What is the better answer??

                      I know that the NFL is NOT the same as HS, but the ethics/lessons could/should be the same.
                      I applaud Coach Coughlin's guts and standards.

                      Of course, had BJ stunk, and the team lost.....

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                      • #12
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                        The responses are making it about whether or not Bradshaw should be punished (of course he should) and that BJ ran very well so Bradshaw wasn't needed anyway
                        The post was about punishing in a different manner. All you guys would have blown up ready to run Coughlin out of town had BJ ran poorly, and/or the Giants lost.
                        The question was is there a better penalization that making the rest of the team pay through possibly losing the game? What about team morale suffering because, instead of a heavy fine, a star player didn't play? Oh, but,but,but, we won anyway, but, but, but, will we win the next time? Fine him not bench him cause he screwed up and got paid anyway

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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="Red Dog"]Maybe I didn't make the point of the post clear This type of penalizing affects the whole team and may affect performance of the whole team. That type penalizing against one player is unfair to everyone else who have to make up the abscence of talent. I never said anything about not penaliizing a player, just find a penalty that does not penalize the entire team because of one. Sometimes referred to as "throwing out the baby with the bath water." And if Jacobs had a lousy first 1/4 or first 1/2 everyone would have been calling for Coughlin's head[/quote]




                          I see your point...but I wonder how many people would have taken notice if he would've fined him or make him run extra wind sprints or something...




                          There is no doubt in my mind that everybody on that team knew why AB was sitting on the bench in the 1st half...and if TC gets fired after the game and never coaches again he still has his principles.




                          I'm gonna guess that TC's rule*was already in place*regarding curfew, though.* If that is the case, then there is no need for any further conversation.* What else could he do?

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                          • #14
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                            I wonder if you have to be 5 minutes early for curfew too.

                            i keeed i keeed...

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="Red Dog"]to spite your face is an old cliche, but isn't that an exact description and result of actions taken against Bradshaw for missing curfew, keeping him out of the game, a very important game.
                              Discipline must be maintained and rules followed, but I believe that keeping a major player out of an important game like last nights has a negative impact on the entire team and the coaches who need wins to stay employed. It's the same as penalizing the entire team and fans because of one misfit???
                              What other kind of penalty, other than a huge fine, should Coughlin or other HC's employ other than "sit-a-star?"[/quote]

                              Coughlin did the right thing. Bradshaw hurt our team last night. Not Coughlin.

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