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  • My take on the defense.

    There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense:

    1-Injuries
    2-Communication
    3-Talent
    4-Effort
    5-Schemes
    6-Opponents

    Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR.

    The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments.

    The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense.

    The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO.

    The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below.

    The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year.

    My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker.

    It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team?

    Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.

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    Re: My take on the defense.

    So in other words it's everyone's fault?

    I can get behind that.
    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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    • #3
      Re: My take on the defense.

      [quote user="Kruunch"]So in other words it's everyone's fault?

      I can get behind that.[/quote]

      In a way....I'm just trying to figure out to what extent each variable is impacting the team.

      For comparison, look at the offensive line and the running game. For most of the year, it has struggled, and now, seems to have found some success after moving Diehl outside, and plugging Petrus and Boothe inside.

      I wonder to what extent Fewell can work with what he has to improve the unit. And i wonder how much the schedule is playing into it, etc., etc.

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      • #4
        Re: My take on the defense.

        Completely disagree with the Von miller thing. Miller is a once in a decade player... Can't blame the giants GM for not getting a player like that when he had no opportunity.

        Bring up a mid round LB that the giants had a shot at if you want to make that argument.

        As for Fewells reliance on zone... The CBs have not been playing well enough in man coverage

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        • #5
          Re: My take on the defense.



          So the strength is man coverage someone should tell that to Aaron Ross saw him get beat for a TD in man. Then on 3rd and 5 Romo could of iced the game had he hit Austin that was Man coverage. Prince Amukumara was beat for 74 yards in man coverage. The Tight end Jon Phillips scored a TD in Man coverage. Its not one particular defensive style or coverage they get beat in everything Fewell throws out there. There is a whole combination of problems going on injuries,lack of talent, effort.

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          • #6
            Re: My take on the defense.

            [quote user="slipknottin"]Completely disagree with the Von miller thing. Miller is a once in a decade player... Can't blame the giants GM for not getting a player like that when he had no opportunity. Bring up a mid round LB that the giants had a shot at if you want to make that argument. As for Fewells reliance on zone... The CBs have not been playing well enough in man coverage[/quote]Your right .People keep saying man coverage. Every time I see man coverage I see WR's getting behind the CB's for big plays.At least in Zone the ball is in front of them.Webster is the only one that doesnt get smoked in man coverage

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            • #7
              Re: My take on the defense.

              At least with Heavy zone schemes u get turnovers.QB's miss a guy and u get an interception

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              • #8
                Re: My take on the defense.



                [quote user="JMFP2"]There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense: 1-Injuries 2-Communication 3-Talent 4-Effort 5-Schemes 6-Opponents Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR. The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments. The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense. The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO. The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below. The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year. My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker. It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team? Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.[/quote]




                Talent?!!!, Again i dare you to find me a defense with more collective individual talent then we do. Try it and you might learn something.




                This isn't madden. Name me a defense with no holes. There will be none. Name me a team that has done nothing to address a position of "need". There will be many. Not enough money to go around trying to address EVERYTHING. Be glad you're only crying about one position.

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                • #9
                  Re: My take on the defense.

                  I agree with redeye, it's not so much the type of coverage man vs zone, it doesn't matter which you play if there isn't a pass rush.

                  We need more pressure on the QB from out front 4. Blitxing HAS NOT worked for us at all. Fewell needs to scheme more twists and stunts into our pass rush. It's way too easy for the OL to zero in and just focus on blocking the guy lined up in front of him. It worked very well for us last year, don't know why we've gone away from it.
                  All Hail The New York Giants!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: My take on the defense.

                    In another thread you dismiss injuries as an excuse. It say they have enough talent. Ross might not have made the team if it where not for so many injuries and he is their #2 CB. Prince is talented but broke his foot so that's another injury that can not be discounted. They had a guy at MLB who was looking in pre season. Well they lost Goff and no matter how much I like Williams he is just a rookie. Tuck has been hurt all year and Osi has been in and out of the line up.

                    Healthy they has lots of talent and PF did better with them last year. They are not healthy and it shows. That's why they are counting on guys who not even on NFL rosters this a week or two ago. Injuries have put this defense in very ba shape.

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                    • #11
                      Re: My take on the defense.

                      What I don't get is the coverage by the CB's even when they are in man. They hang so loose off the WR's and always seem to be looking some where else. WTH is up with that!

                      How about sticking to the receiver in tight coverage. Can there be some of that too...instead of these guys trying to do two things at once and trying to over compensate.
                      "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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                      • #12
                        Re: My take on the defense.



                        [quote user="JMFP2"]There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense: 1-Injuries 2-Communication 3-Talent 4-Effort 5-Schemes 6-Opponents Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR. The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments. The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense. The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO. The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below. The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year. My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker. It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team? Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.[/quote]




                        How about in the beginning of the year the GMEN got off to a quick start with the 4 man rush working great.




                        Adjustments, after that time period other teams look at tape a figure out all they need to do is keep 5 men to block 4 men - offense will win 99% of the time, 1% someone will make a play.




                        Lack of Adjustment - Fewell refuses to add another player to the scheme, even if its a delayed blitz from a linebacker or a corner from the edge, he just drops into the zone and lets the QB hang out until someone breaks free.




                        Run defense is normally good, last night not so much but did put Dallas in 3rd and long, what does Fewell do, rush 3 men against 5, giving the qb even longer and everyone thinks our secondary sucks.




                        There is always some missed assignments, blown coverages, but a strong rush and blitz will bail you out sometimes if the qb has to get rid of it early, gets moved out of the pocket or hit.




                        Until Fewell makes some adjustments it's going to be a long haul to win 2 out of three to finish.

                        Forget the Past, Live for the Future!

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                        • #13
                          Re: My take on the defense.

                          [quote user="gumby742"]


                          [quote user="JMFP2"]There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense: 1-Injuries 2-Communication 3-Talent 4-Effort 5-Schemes 6-Opponents Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR. The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments. The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense. The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO. The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below. The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year. My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker. It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team? Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.[/quote]




                          Talent?!!!, Again i dare you to find me a defense with more collective individual talent then we do. Try it and you might learn something.




                          This isn't madden. Name me a defense with no holes. There will be none. Name me a team that has done nothing to address a position of "need". There will be many. Not enough money to go around trying to address EVERYTHING. Be glad you're only crying about one position.




                          [/quote]




                          Bump for Madden boys burier and FMP. The salary cap isn't year to year. It's year to the next X years down the road. This isn't "only deal with the salary cap for 1 season" Madden. Change it to Play 10 seasons and you guys finally might get it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: My take on the defense.

                            [quote user="gumby742"][quote user="gumby742"]


                            [quote user="JMFP2"]There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense: 1-Injuries 2-Communication 3-Talent 4-Effort 5-Schemes 6-Opponents Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR. The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments. The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense. The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO. The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below. The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year. My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker. It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team? Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.[/quote]




                            Talent?!!!, Again i dare you to find me a defense with more collective individual talent then we do.* Try it and you might learn something.*




                            This isn't madden.* Name me a defense with no holes.* There will be none.* Name me a team that has done nothing to address a position of "need".** There will be many.* Not enough money to go around trying to address EVERYTHING.* Be glad you're only crying about one position.




                            [/quote]




                            Bump for Madden boys burier and FMP.* The salary cap isn't year to year.* It's year to the next X years down the road.* This isn't "only deal with the salary cap for 1 season" Madden.* Change it to Play 10 seasons and you guys finally might get it.

                            [/quote]

                            I'm pretty sure I mentioned multiple issues besides talent.

                            Regarding talent: our linebackers lack it. Our safeties aren't showing it.

                            I understand talent and injuries are related....when a guy like T2 goes down, the available pool of roster talent takes a hit.

                            I think I also made it clear that I'm trying, as a fan, to understand some of the root problems.

                            Your "this isn't Madden" response is some weak sauce.....I'm trying to have a discussion here, not an argument.

                            Take your negativity somewhere else unless you've got something meaningful to add. "Bumping" the thread just proves your arrogance.

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                            • #15
                              Re: My take on the defense.

                              [quote user="JMFP2"][quote user="gumby742"][quote user="gumby742"]


                              [quote user="JMFP2"]There seem to be several factors at work with respect to the defense: 1-Injuries 2-Communication 3-Talent 4-Effort 5-Schemes 6-Opponents Fewell can’t pick who is healthy and who is on IR. The communication issues are the fault of the players…..I saw at least 2 TDs that were the result of busted zone assignments. The talent is on Reese – outside of Boley, he has completely failed to upgrade the LB unit….just ask Denver how they are liking Vonn Miller. Granted, Vonn Miller was long gone in the draft....I'm just pointing out the "instant upgrade" a quality linebacker can bring to the defense. The effort is on the players. There's no reason that JPP seems to be the only guy hustling at times. This was more a case in the NO game than the last two. I'm just saying it was a big issue against Seattle, Philly, and NO. The schemes are all Fewell...more on that below. The opponents are just a result of Green Bay and the Saints somehow finishing #2 last year. My take: It’s not all on Fewell, but a lot of it is. In particular, he continues to rely on the Tampa-2, despite the fact that a) his secondary was signed/drafted for their strength in man coverage, and b) he utterly lacks the Briggs/Urlacher linebacker prototype necessary to make the Tampa-2 most effective. I’m sorry, Perry, but Deon Grant is not a substitute for a good linebacker. It’s easy to say “they need to blitz more”… I understand that brings its own set of problems. However, when the zone is getting repeatedly abused, and when the defense is literally in the basement on all defensive rankings, how can you justify staying with a scheme that not only gives up points, but looks to be demoralizing your team? Again, I’m just a fan, and who knows what a 100% healthy defense looks like against a normal schedule? But this defense needs to get a lot more aggressive….because their current approach is an abject failure, and they have a guy named Eli Manning who is used to bailing them out game after game.[/quote]




                              Talent?!!!, Again i dare you to find me a defense with more collective individual talent then we do. Try it and you might learn something.




                              This isn't madden. Name me a defense with no holes. There will be none. Name me a team that has done nothing to address a position of "need". There will be many. Not enough money to go around trying to address EVERYTHING. Be glad you're only crying about one position.




                              [/quote]




                              Bump for Madden boys burier and FMP. The salary cap isn't year to year. It's year to the next X years down the road. This isn't "only deal with the salary cap for 1 season" Madden. Change it to Play 10 seasons and you guys finally might get it.




                              [/quote] I'm pretty sure I mentioned multiple issues besides talent. Regarding talent: our linebackers lack it. Our safeties aren't showing it. I understand talent and injuries are related....when a guy like T2 goes down, the available pool of roster talent takes a hit. I think I also made it clear that I'm trying, as a fan, to understand some of the root problems. Your "this isn't Madden" response is some weak sauce.....I'm trying to have a discussion here, not an argument. Take your negativity somewhere else unless you've got something meaningful to add.[/quote]




                              Reese is not to blame when you have injuries. If you want to blame injuries for our poor performance, go ahead. But this is not on Reese one bit.




                              And the fact that you blame Reese for lacking to address only 1 area in the entire defense shows you have no clue about how things work with the salary cap. Go ahead, go me another defense with more collective talent. Find me a team that doesn't have holes. You can't do it. So this is very Madden relevant. You don't understand that you just don't have enough money to go around. You ARE going to have bandaids at certain position where it is a weakness and you need to hide.




                              And don't mix up having talent and performance. It's the job of the coaching staff to utilize the talent that we have so that they perform at a high level. The eagles have all the talent in the world and yet, what have they done this year?




                              So again, i challenge you to make me a list of teams that have more collective talent then we do. If you so please, go find me a team with no holes on defense. This is no where near on Reese. Nor is it because we lack talent - when healthy or healthy enough.

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