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  • Perry Fewell takes too much critisism when we lose. Let me explain

    I want to start off by saying I played 5 years of football. 4 at highschool level, and 1 year at div 3 college level. I stopped after my first year of college because I had to get surgery on a broken ligament in my thumb that took 2 years to fully heal. But the point I am trying to make is, in my 5 years of playing football, i can not remember one game that i lost where i said to myself "man, the coaches cost us this game". "Man, we did all we could, but coach Haden cost us this game. I can't picture myself ever saying something like that.

    The only real exception is if the coach doesnt utilize his players properly. But with Perry thats not the case. He always finds ways to get his best players on the field and even the players will admit that. Kiwi stated this a few times during his locker room interviews.

    I dont remember which game it was, but i heard one of the announcers from last week say "when you win, its the players, but when you lose its the coaches". And i couldnt agree with him more. At some time around this years training camp i also remembered one of the reporters asking perry what he did differently at the end of last year, and PF stated "not much". He basically said the players stepped their game up and that they were all in. This whole idea of him simplfying the defense is only in our minds.

    Tuck stated many times that "the players" were better than how they were playing, and that they just needed to play as one. All in. Team first. The players love and respect PF. They knew that if they wanted to win, they were the ones who had to improve. Not the coaches.

    Ive read a lot of criticism on PF after the Dallas loss and the one that stands out to me the most is "the defense was too predictable". Its a division game.There is not many things you can do differently that your opponent doesn't already know. In fact, i dont think there is going to be any blitz or play that the other team didnt already prepare for. Ware even stated before the game that its going to be 90% mental since they already know what we're going to do and we already know what they're going to do.

    We lost because dallas simply played better. Perry can't make corey webster catch an interception that he dropped, or not bite on a double move. He cant make tuck tackle Murray in the backfield or make cruz not drop the ball. He cant Make rolle take a better angle when tyron loses a jump ball or make tyron not get beat across the middle on a slant to end the game.

    I fully understand that the NFL is way more complicated than college and comparing the NFL to highscool is more than laughable. But if there is one thing they all have in common, its "at the end of the day, the players are the ones who have to play the game". And i think that is the key concept. However, maybe its just me. After all i havent really played the game at a high level so Im curious. Is there anyone here who played div 1, or have any type of NFL experience? If so, did you ever lose a game where you felt it was because of the coaches and not the players?
    Last edited by Marvelousmik; 09-12-2012, 10:00 PM.
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    ~Big Mike~


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    There were plays against Dallas where Fewell was to blame. The slant to ice the game is on him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      There were plays against Dallas where Fewell was to blame. The slant to ice the game is on him.
      But was he the reason why we lost? And please elaborate on why that slant was his fault.
      Last edited by Marvelousmik; 09-12-2012, 04:15 PM.
      Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
        But was he the reason why we lost? And please elaborate on why that slant was his fault.
        Lol *Crickets*

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        • #5
          i think the d he called, a cover 3, on the slant play was poor considering tryon was on the field. if it was a cover 3 (YA and Slip have said it was, it is a cover 3 variation) then Tryon basically has his side of the field to defend himself. we also dropped tuck into coverage and rolle was supposedt o help on the slant, but bc we sent a nickel blitz I believe, Rolle got stuck between Witten and Ogeltree, which allowed all the room for the YAC to get the first.
          Im no DC, but I woulda called something that dropped the LB's into the slant zones, and the corners and safeties playng a zone at the 1rst down marker (quarters zone). if u get beat for a 1rst u lose so getting beat deep isnt an added worry bc the result is the same; u lose.

          but thats just my opinion. had Coe or T2 or Prince been in we may have tackled him short f the 1rst. Its just I knew Tryon was gonna get picked on there and i woulda helped him

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          • #6
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            There were plays against Dallas where Fewell was to blame. The slant to ice the game is on him.
            yeah....he was supposed to cover the slot and blew it....
            oh yeah....right....he wasnt out there..

            KP even said it. They were all looking to be the hero and they blew their scheme and didnt play togther...
            "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
            You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
              But was he the reason why we lost? And please elaborate on why that slant was his fault.
              No, but there are certainly times when play calls or the coordinator are at fault.

              The call was a c3, with a zone blitz, (tuck drops into coverage, JWill is blitzing). Rolle has underneath coverage.

              The receiver (olgetree is lined up wide, Witten is on the same side of the formation.

              Olgetree runs a slant, Witten runs a vertical route.

              QBs are taught to throw into the blitz, so JWill comes, so that is the side Romo is looking at.

              Because the CB is playing C3, his job is to keep outside leverage and bail and stay deeper. Which means the CB can not play the slant.

              Rolle in the underneath coverage has two receivers in his zone, Witten on a vertical, or Olgetree on a slant.

              Rolle splits the difference, drops underneath Witten to take him away long, but Romo throws the slant and Olgetree gets the first anyway.

              Tuck dropping had no chance to get that 10 yard depth to disrupt the throw.


              Or we could argue that the dallas O Coord called a perfect play to defeat the giants call and get the first down. Either way.

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              • #8
                People don't want to hear about injuries but they do play a part in this. On top of that the healthy guys played bad. It was just a bad game by the entire team. I mean the offense didn't help things out much by dropping a bunch of balls and failing to run the ball.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                  yeah....he was supposed to cover the slot and blew it....
                  oh yeah....right....he wasnt out there..

                  KP even said it. They were all looking to be the hero and they blew their scheme and didnt play togther...
                  Im not saying players dont have responsibility to do the things the play call requires them to do. Far from it. Thats one of the biggest issues the giants defensively have always had.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                    No, but there are certainly times when play calls or the coordinator are at fault.

                    The call was a c3, with a zone blitz, (tuck drops into coverage, JWill is blitzing). Rolle has underneath coverage.

                    The receiver (olgetree is lined up wide, Witten is on the same side of the formation.

                    Olgetree runs a slant, Witten runs a vertical route.

                    QBs are taught to throw into the blitz, so JWill comes, so that is the side Romo is looking at.

                    Because the CB is playing C3, his job is to keep outside leverage and bail and stay deeper. Which means the CB can not play the slant.

                    Rolle in the underneath coverage has two receivers in his zone, Witten on a vertical, or Olgetree on a slant.

                    Rolle splits the difference, drops underneath Witten to take him away long, but Romo throws the slant and Olgetree gets the first anyway.

                    Tuck dropping had no chance to get that 10 yard depth to disrupt the throw.


                    Or we could argue that the dallas O Coord called a perfect play to defeat the giants call and get the first down. Either way.
                    very well said.....but how did Dallas know that Tuck would drop into coverage?? Maybe JWill is supposed to get pressure. Maybe the passing lanes are supposed to clogged up with hands and bodies. Romo made a nice play.....
                    Its always a chess match. I dont blame Fewell at all for the loss.
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                      very well said.....but how did Dallas know that Tuck would drop into coverage?? Maybe JWill is supposed to get pressure. Maybe the passing lanes are supposed to clogged up with hands and bodies. Romo made a nice play.....
                      Its always a chess match. I dont blame Fewell at all for the loss.
                      I believe that JWill makes it obvious he will be blitzing. The part that is supposed to confuse Romo is the zone blitz. Tuck dropping in coverage and Romo is not supposed to expect that. I dont blame Fewell either. But everyone here either blames Fewell for all the defensive problems (like CWeb in C3 biting on a double move, that is completely on CWeb, did not play proper technique). Or they say Fewell isnt to blame at all, its all the players.

                      Im saying there are things where Fewell made a mistake, and there are things where defenders made a mistake. Neither is free of guilt, neither is completely guilty for everything, either.

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                      • #12
                        The play is called, then the play must be executed by the players. Many fans, even when there's poor execution, like to blame the coaches. The slant example was obviously a good offensive play for the defense we called on that down, but it could have still been stopped had the blitz got to Romo quicker. It's a crap shoot. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work Fewell is an idiot. When it does work he is a genius.


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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=slipknottin;481940]I believe that JWill makes it obvious he will be blitzing. The part that is supposed to confuse Romo is the zone blitz. Tuck dropping in coverage and Romo is not supposed to expect that. I dont blame Fewell either. But everyone here either blames Fewell for all the defensive problems (like CWeb in C3 biting on a double move, that is completely on CWeb, did not play proper technique). Or they say Fewell isnt to blame at all, its all the players.

                          Im saying there are things where Fewell made a mistake, and there are things where defenders made a mistake. Neither is free of guilt, neither is completely guilty for everything, either.[/QUOTE]

                          that makes sense.....
                          "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                          You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
                            The play is called, then the play must be executed by the players. Many fans, even when there's poor execution, like to blame the coaches. The slant example was obviously a good offensive play for the defense we called on that down, but it could have still been stopped had the blitz got to Romo quicker. It's a crap shoot. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work Fewell is an idiot. When it does work he is a genius.
                            That play call could not have been dependent on the blitz getting there because JWill makes itself known pre-snap that he is blitzing, Romo either will get the ball out quick, or have a blocker pick him up.

                            The idea of the blitz was to confuse Romo on Tuck's drop. And hope that Romo got the ball out quick.

                            But none of that matters that much because the giants defensively were overwhelmed numbers wise on that side of the ball.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              I believe that JWill makes it obvious he will be blitzing. The part that is supposed to confuse Romo is the zone blitz. Tuck dropping in coverage and Romo is not supposed to expect that. I dont blame Fewell either. But everyone here either blames Fewell for all the defensive problems (like CWeb in C3 biting on a double move, that is completely on CWeb, did not play proper technique). Or they say Fewell isnt to blame at all, its all the players.

                              Im saying there are things where Fewell made a mistake, and there are things where defenders made a mistake. Neither is free of guilt, neither is completely guilty for everything, either.

                              I trust you're not calling for Fewell's head.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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