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  • #46
    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    only if its an out of bounds play. if not you are done.....
    Yeah, I think I saw a quote by Eli that says the threshold for getting the FG team out there with no timeouts is 17 or 18 seconds. And even then, that's cutting it very close.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drez View Post
      Yeah, I think I saw a quote by Eli that says the threshold for getting the FG team out there with no timeouts is 17 or 18 seconds. And even then, that's cutting it very close.
      As hard as it was to swallow the loss, the time left was the issue. The play called was OK, but the execution failed.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #48
        Originally posted by shockeyisjesus View Post
        He took both timeouts when the Eagles had the ball on the OTHER SIDE of the two minute warning instead of taking them both before the two minute warning.

        Cost us an additional 15-20 seconds which we could have used to run 1 more play, get a little bit closer and make a closer field goal.

        Anyone with even half a brain who has played Madden once or twice in their lives knows you use the timeouts BEFORE the two minute warning in a goal line situation and not AFTER the two minute warning.

        Terrible clock management cost us this game more than the passing interference.

        Put the blame where it belongs folks!
        I'm going through it, and I don't think that it saves much more than a couple of seconds. It also allows a defensive penalty to essentially end the game.

        Quite honestly, I think if we're going to ***** about clock management, I think it would have been smarter to not use the last timeout before the FG and have 1:15 and a TO on the final drive.

        Either way, clock management wasn't the issue. We actually got into FG quickly enough where we ran the ball once essentially to kill some clock (and inch a little closer). That pass play was just the perfect storm of crappiness.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by RagTime Blue View Post
          I'm sick of these Gilbride/Manning 1st and 3rd quarter timeouts when they don't like the D. It seems like nothing at the time, but while the half is running out, it can really come back to haunt you.

          Just run the play. . .who knows, it might work. Or just take the 5 yards. . .timeouts are worth their weight in gold in a close game.
          The TIMEOUT had to be taken. It was 3rd and 1 or 5 (can't remember) from the Eagles 40 yard line and the play clock was running down close to zero. This is a spot where you can NOT afford to take a delay of game.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            As hard as it was to swallow the loss, the time left was the issue. The play called was OK, but the execution failed.
            Yup. But, I don't think the time left was a clock management issue as much as it was a play selection issue.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Manning View Post
              The TIMEOUT had to be taken. It was 3rd and 1 or 5 (can't remember) from the Eagles 40 yard line and the play clock was running down close to zero. This is a spot where you can NOT afford to take a delay of game.
              I think Ragtime was talking more generally than this game particularly. Either way, his point is that we do tend to burn quite a few timeouts because we don't have enough time to get set at the line.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Drez View Post
                Yup. But, I don't think the time left was a clock management issue as much as it was a play selection issue.
                In the end, we came up short
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  In the end, we came up short
                  In more ways than one, lol.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BigBlue1971 View Post
                    it had nothing to do with clock management! Eli still managed to get the offense within range in plenty of time!

                    the timeouts were fine it was the refs bad call on Barden that contributed to losing the game imo!
                    That wasn’t a bad call. Barden should have had the OPI called against him because he basically gaggle ****ed Ashamouga to stop him from picking off the bad throw from Eli.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GiantGremlin View Post
                      Agreed, Barden mauled him right in front of the ref, and was an easy call to make, however the Giants would have been better off kicking the 45 yard FG instead of attempting such a risky play. You either go for short yardage so you clock it quickly, or just kick the FG and take your chances - anything else is too risky in that situation.
                      +1

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by shockeyisjesus View Post
                        He took both timeouts when the Eagles had the ball on the OTHER SIDE of the two minute warning instead of taking them both before the two minute warning.Cost us an additional 15-20 seconds which we could have used to run 1 more play, get a little bit closer and make a closer field goal.Anyone with even half a brain who has played Madden once or twice in their lives knows you use the timeouts BEFORE the two minute warning in a goal line situation and not AFTER the two minute warning.Terrible clock management cost us this game more than the passing interference.Put the blame where it belongs folks!
                        I don't know if you noticed, but there was a black unicorn running free in the Eagles secondary on the Barden opi play.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by JPP=BEASTMODE View Post
                          I don't know if you noticed, but there was a black unicorn running free in the Eagles secondary on the Barden opi play.
                          They had to go to the sideline to stop the clock
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #58
                            Coughlin alone did not LOSE us the game - all 53 did including the coaches. Thats said Tom almost always uses those TO's pre 2 minute warning and while many on here are just going crazy with the OP's side points - the point about taking those time outs pre 2 minute warning is a valid one. Yes more time would have helped - and we can certainly look at that going fwd - but to blame the loss on this alone is just not fair. Again it is valid and could have saved us time - and thats what we needed - but we can point to MANY other plays as well. Still for those who are willing to look at the giants without blinders it is a fair point. But my gosh - sometimes you also have to say - look - this is the guy who has won 2sb's and if he occasionally goes away from convention i will give him some slack because damned if he hasn't earned it.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              They had to go to the sideline to stop the clock
                              If Bennett caught the ball it would of easily been a TD.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by JPP=BEASTMODE View Post
                                If Bennett caught the ball it would of easily been a TD.
                                I doubt it. There was a safety that peeled off coverage from Bennett once the ball was thrown Barden's way.

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