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  • #61
    Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
    He was a monster at BC........he has never been the same since Vince Young got out of his grasp........took away his MOJO
    I wholeheartedly endorse this post. Vince Young has his mojo. Well, now that Kiwi is making almost 7 million a year for being the prolific run stuffer that he is, can afford to buy his MOJO back. Lord knows VY needs the money.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
      Tackles don't always the whole story bro. There's a lot of unsung heroes in run defense, guys that occupy two blockers, contain an outside run, redirect the play etc. etc.
      I agree, tackles don't tell the whole story, but you can't totally ignore them either. Defensive Tackles are usually the unsung heroes of a defense. They occupy the OLINE so that they cant get to the second level. They clog stuff up so the backers can come in for the kill. That's the way it's supposed to work.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
        If Kiwi is doing SUCH A GREAT JOB then who do we blame? Who? Boley? Our D-line? JPP occupies two O-linemen and disrupts many plays, I think he's doing his job. Everybody around here seems to think our D-Tackles do their jobs for the most part. Sure you can blame Osi, he's terrible. But he's not the main reason. Secondarys shouldn't be primary tacklers/run stoppers, so you really cant blame them for this either.

        If it's the D-Lines primary job to put pressure on the QB and to occupy O-Lineman, and the secondary's primary job is to cover recievers, then the LBs primary job to make the tackle. That's why the leading tackler's in the league are usually LBs. Granted, some LBs are pass-rushers, others are great coverage guys. All I'm saying is I don't see any of that with Kiwi.
        See this is where you are wrong Osi, Tuck and whoever is playing the other LB'er spot whether it be Chase, Jacquain, Rivers and whoever else are not doing the job. Secondary mustn't be primary tacklers but when Kiwi forces the run away from him sometimes the Safeties and Corners have to get their rear ends up to the box faster and help out. They don't do it with the consistency good run stopping teams do. Did you see CB Charles Tillman last night? He ate Murray for lunch when Briggs or Urlacher forced Murray away from them. Giants need more of that for the secondary against the run. And yes, Osi and Tuck have been downright awful and have done nothing to help stop the run consistently. I'm sorry but if your two pro bowl DE's are not helping guys like Kiwi and Boley it is unacceptable.
        Last edited by repeatchamps; 10-02-2012, 05:23 PM.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by repeatchamps View Post
          See this is where you are wrong Osi, Tuck and whoever is playing the other LB'er spot whether it be Chase, Jacquain, Rivers and whoever else are not doing the job. Secondary mustn't be primary tacklers but when Kiwi forces the run away from him sometimes the Safeties and Corners have to get their rear ends up to the box faster and help out. They don't do it with the consistency good run stopping teams do. Did you see CB Charles Tillman last night? He ate Murray for lunch when Briggs or Urlacher forced Murray away from them.
          I'm not saying the other guys are blameless. I just don't see the impact he's makiing. You keep saying he's funneling runners to other guys and it's the other guys who are screwing up. Do the other guys occasionally screw up? Yes. But not to the degree that you are suggesting.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
            I'm not saying the other guys are blameless. I just don't see the impact he's makiing. You keep saying he's funneling runners to other guys and it's the other guys who are screwing up. Do the other guys occasionally screw up? Yes. But not to the degree that you are suggesting.
            I disagree. From what I've seen each game the fault lies squarely on Osi and Tuck's soldiers and the DB's are not consistently helping out when it is a run the way they should be. As far as the other LB'er spot, I believe Rivers coming back would be a big boost but whether it be Chase or Williams or someone else while Rivers is out, too many times they are not getting the job done. It is not Kiwi and Boley that's for sure.
            Last edited by repeatchamps; 10-02-2012, 05:32 PM.
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            • #66
              Great players make great plays no matter where they are on the field. Period. They have a presence. Despite how the fans may feel about Tuck and Osi at the moment I'd be willing to bet most LBs would love to play behind the Giants D-Line. A good D-Line can take the pressure off your backers. You could argue that San Fransico's D-line is comperable to the Giants, perhaps a little better, and Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman make plays. Lots of them. Been doing it for years. Part of that may be scheme, but those two linebackers would make plays on ANY defense.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
                If Kiwi is doing SUCH A GREAT JOB then who do we blame? Who? Boley? Our D-line? JPP occupies two O-linemen and disrupts many plays, I think he's doing his job. Everybody around here seems to think our D-Tackles do their jobs for the most part. Sure you can blame Osi, he's terrible. But he's not the main reason. Secondarys shouldn't be primary tacklers/run stoppers, so you really cant blame them for this either.

                If it's the D-Lines primary job to put pressure on the QB and to occupy O-Lineman, and the secondary's primary job is to cover recievers, then the LBs primary job to make the tackle. That's why the leading tackler's in the league are usually LBs. Granted, some LBs are pass-rushers, others are great coverage guys. All I'm saying is I don't see any of that with Kiwi.
                Actually, I can totally blame Osi as the main reason. He continually blew contain, and it continually resulted in huge plays for the Eagles.

                He was the Achilles heel on Sunday night. Credit the Eagles for attacking it, time after time.

                Not sure what Fewell was watching, but I would have yanked Osi's *** after the 4th or 5th blown assignment.
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                  Actually, I can totally blame Osi as the main reason. He continually blew contain, and it continually resulted in huge plays for the Eagles.

                  He was the Achilles heel on Sunday night. Credit the Eagles for attacking it, time after time.

                  Not sure what Fewell was watching, but I would have yanked Osi's *** after the 4th or 5th blown assignment.
                  Exactly this. The story was the same against Dallas as well.

                  As far as Willis and Bowman, I have no problem admitting they are better than Kiwi-Boley but that doesn't really say very much. No tandem anywhere in the NFL is as good as those two. Doesn't mean Kiwi is not doing his job as is needed while only getting help from Boley and JPP when JPP is not triple teamed.
                  Last edited by repeatchamps; 10-02-2012, 05:52 PM.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                    Actually, I can totally blame Osi as the main reason. He continually blew contain, and it continually resulted in huge plays for the Eagles.

                    He was the Achilles heel on Sunday night. Credit the Eagles for attacking it, time after time.

                    Not sure what Fewell was watching, but I would have yanked Osi's *** after the 4th or 5th blown assignment.
                    Yes, Osi sucks. I think that has been established at this point. I'd replace Osi with Kiwi.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
                      Yes, Osi sucks. I think that has been established at this point. I'd replace Osi with Kiwi.
                      I would not be opposed to that only because it improves the D-line not because it improves Kiwi. However, who takes the SAM? Rivers maybe but that is not his position. Williams? Same story as Rivers. Chase at the SAM? Sorry but that would be a major downgrade.
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                      • #71
                        Kinda felt this thread needed a proper burial. scroll down to number 32.

                        http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/10/2...ants-from-1-53
                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                        Burier: Yes.

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                        • #72
                          I wish we had 53 players like Kiwi. Does his job, doesn't complain. And mind you, he's a good player.

                          Giants fan since the early 80s

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                            How many tackles someone has is a bull **** stat most times anyway...how many missed tackles does he have? how many times have they run the ball his way?how many times has he sealed the edge and forced the play inside? when you can provide those numbers then we will talk about tackles... ?
                            This. AP lead us in tackles but most of them were 5 yards down the field because he got pushed around like a rag doll.
                            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by ny06 View Post
                              I wish we had 53 players like Kiwi. Does his job, doesn't complain. And mind you, he's a good player.
                              its not about how good a player he is. Its about him playing out of position because "Linebackers aren't important"
                              My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                              Burier: Yes.

                              My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                              Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                              • #75
                                Who knows maybe he will move back to DE again. He has been like a ping pong ball. If Rivers can stay helathy (which does not seem probable) they could consider to move Kiwi back into a DE rotation. I would use Osi as a 3rd down specialist only and it sure seems like Tuck needs to rest quite a bit during a game.

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