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  • #76
    Kiwi is very good against the run, we just need to get the Line to step up...The talent is certainly there....

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    • #77
      Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
      I have no idea why you guys keep saying this....KIWI was one of the top rated linebackers in the NFL vs the run last year......a linebackers job is to defend the run....how is he not doing a good job?.....some just do not get it....as opposed to someone like OSI that makes 3-4 spectacular plays a year and misses the rest...I'll take the guy that makes all the plays and doesn't get the spotlight
      Nicely stated, that is exactly what we need more of!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by burier View Post
        Kinda felt this thread needed a proper burial. scroll down to number 32.

        http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/10/2...ants-from-1-53
        The key to that article is that they pointed out Kiwi got only 27 snaps in the Eagles game. If his snap count is similar in the first few games it probably explains the low tackle number. I think the reason he's getting fewer snaps is because he is such a liability versus the pass. I think by the end of last year they took him out on passing downs. LBs have to play the run and the pass. Kiwi never put on the weight or got strong enough to become a dominant DE. So it is what it is. He is a great run stopping backer with great pass rushing skills, but inferior pass coverage skills. He's a good guy to have on your team.
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        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
          All I keep hearing from some of you is how prolific a run-stuffer Kiwi is. I guess teams are just scared to run at him because he is so dominant. He's a run-stuffer that makes less than two tackles per game and never sacks the QB or gets an INT. Oh and the Giants run defense is bad, but lets blame EVERYBODY else for that. It can't possibly be because one of our starting LBs gets less than 2 tackles per game. It's the other guys who aren't picking up the slack.
          Comparing Navaro Bowman to Kiwi is not an accurate way to look at it. Bowman is a true LB not a DE playing out of position, so yes he is naturally going to be a better LB. Also the supporting cast is better around Bowman, football is the ultimate team sport. As for big plays, you play within the system and do your job first, Osi makes a big play and then ****s the bed for the remainder of the game. Give me a guy who plays his keys and knows his assignments first. But to answer your question Kiwi did stop Miami with a sack to win the game last year is that not a big play?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
            The key to that article is that they pointed out Kiwi got only 27 snaps in the Eagles game. If his snap count is similar in the first few games it probably explains the low tackle number. I think the reason he's getting fewer snaps is because he is such a liability versus the pass. I think by the end of last year they took him out on passing downs. LBs have to play the run and the pass. Kiwi never put on the weight or got strong enough to become a dominant DE. So it is what it is. He is a great run stopping backer with great pass rushing skills, but inferior pass coverage skills. He's a good guy to have on your team.
            Translation: We drafted a passrusher to take him out of the game on passing downs.
            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

            Burier: Yes.

            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

            Burier: Yes. I promise.

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            • #81
              He chased down Shady last week which ultimately saved 4 points.

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              • #82
                I haven't read any of the posts...just the OP's comment.
                Let me say this about Kiwi...Its true that he doesn't make a lot of game changing plays. What he does is make all the play-in, play-out, plays every down. These are the plays that Osi doesn't make. They require discipline and study. And a willingness to do the small things to help the team. They don't get a lot of attention, but they help the team win football games.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by burier View Post
                  Translation: We drafted a passrusher to take him out of the game on passing downs.
                  We have better pass rushers then Kiwi

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    I haven't read any of the posts...just the OP's comment.
                    Let me say this about Kiwi...Its true that he doesn't make a lot of game changing plays. What he does is make all the play-in, play-out, plays every down. These are the plays that Osi doesn't make. They require discipline and study. And a willingness to do the small things to help the team. They don't get a lot of attention, but they help the team win football games.
                    I said basically this same thing back when this thread started....I guess I do not understand why some people do not get this concept....seems pretty simple....but after some thought....I believe that the average fan is NOT capable of seeing past the plays that end up on ESPN....the things Kiwi brings do not end up on espn ...instead they end up playing inSuperbowls
                    "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

                    1st to use the phrase "In Reese we trust"

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      We have better pass rushers then Kiwi
                      We have exactly 1 better pass rusher than Kiwi. We're wasting the guys talent.
                      My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                      Burier: Yes.

                      My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                      Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                        I said basically this same thing back when this thread started....I guess I do not understand why some people do not get this concept....seems pretty simple....but after some thought....I believe that the average fan is NOT capable of seeing past the plays that end up on ESPN....the things Kiwi brings do not end up on espn ...instead they end up playing inSuperbowls
                        and I reject this attitude that making big plays and doing your own job are mutually exclusive. The upper echelon players do both.

                        Now if you consider where we drafted Kiwi we're ripping ourselves off. I don't need to use a first round draft choice on a player who's gonna offer Kiwi's current production. And I have no idea why Osi's name keeps coming up. There was a time when he was a very good player but now he's just garbage.

                        I need to stress that I am not bashing Kiwi. I just feel he should be playing at end if not full time a good percentage of the time. And right now with the production we're getting at end and the production we're getting at backer I see no down side to moving kiwi into a starting end spot.
                        Last edited by burier; 10-04-2012, 10:43 AM.
                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                        Burier: Yes.

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                        • #87
                          [QUOTE=burier;516749]and I reject this attitude that making big plays and doing your own job are mutually exclusive. The upper echelon players do both.
                          QUOTE]

                          Yup

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by fansince69 View Post
                            I said basically this same thing back when this thread started....I guess I do not understand why some people do not get this concept....seems pretty simple....but after some thought....I believe that the average fan is NOT capable of seeing past the plays that end up on ESPN....the things Kiwi brings do not end up on espn ...instead they end up playing inSuperbowls
                            And this is garbage.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                              The key to that article is that they pointed out Kiwi got only 27 snaps in the Eagles game. If his snap count is similar in the first few games it probably explains the low tackle number. I think the reason he's getting fewer snaps is because he is such a liability versus the pass. I think by the end of last year they took him out on passing downs. LBs have to play the run and the pass. Kiwi never put on the weight or got strong enough to become a dominant DE. So it is what it is. He is a great run stopping backer with great pass rushing skills, but inferior pass coverage skills. He's a good guy to have on your team.
                              And this isn't a problem because...?

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by burier View Post
                                Kinda felt this thread needed a proper burial. scroll down to number 32.

                                http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/10/2...ants-from-1-53
                                I guess we're not the only "crazy" people.

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