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  • #46
    Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    Eli likes big targets. he as always preferred throwing to oversized targets, reason being even when they're not open they most often come up with the catch. When Eli develops good rapport with a receiver he usually forces it to them on 2-3 throws a game. He did it with Plax and SS and he does it with Nicks and I'm sure he'll try it with Barden. What would you do if you had a 6'6 WR...the same **** thing.
    I would throw it to wide open Bennett who is also a big guy, and has 3 TDs in his bag already with Eli this season, there's literally no upside in going with Barden as much as you want to believe all of what you said.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
      Bennet was not wide open. The LBer in charge of coverage of Bennett read Eli and jumped towards the side Eli threw at right about the time Eli threw it.

      Had Eli peeped back over at Bennett, or worse, stared Bennett down, coverage would have been there no doubt.
      I don't post much (ie the name), but I do like to come on here an see other peoples insights from the doom & gloom to the few optimistic posts. Like the fellow above me said there was a LB man to man on Bennett who broke after Eli turned towards Barden & initiated the throw. The throw was the least riskiest (man-to-man coverage with a 6'6 WR thrown towards the sideline/endzone) with the most reward. I do think that Bradshaw was the better option with least risk (but low reward). Nobody wants to leave a game to a FG even one that is 40 + yards (which it was at that time). Eli went for the win & missed... nobody on these boards, or on the field even thought of an offensive off PI. If there is any throw to ? it would be the int in the endzone, which calculated to the difference in the game. However, once again Eli put this team in a position to win.

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      • #48
        Probably time to move on. The Giants had a chance to win even with that horrible play. They didn't... next.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Hessian View Post
          Probably time to move on. The Giants had a chance to win even with that horrible play. They didn't... next.
          +1
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • #50
            bennett looked to have 1 on 1 like barden until eli turned to throw the ball. still would have probably been a better choice though to go to big marty up top 1 on 1 rather than barden.

            on a side note, i dont think nnamdi gets a pick here if barden doesnt interfere. he picked up the ball way too late and landed too far beyond his reach. he also hugged barden behind his back as if he lost track of him.

            obviously all this hindsight means nothing but there were some better options for eli on that play. we all know he will bounce back though. they ended up losing because a tough kick fell a yard short.

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            • #51
              The game is over so move on. Analyzing games with what if's will take years away from your life so appreciate what Eli does best instead of criticizing him for a mistake now and then. The guy is all game! Lets move on, hope for the best and heal quickly and see if things fall into place.
              Go Giants!
              "There is winning and there is Misery"

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              • #52
                Yea. Guess we are beating a dead horse here. On to Cleveland
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                  You have no clue what Eli's pre-snap reads were, and are ignoring the fact that we had no timeouts left.

                  My only beef on the play was trusting Barden in a crucial point in the game. He's no Manningham
                  at 6'6 you put up a jump ball..I guarantee he's the only one coming down with it

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                  • #54
                    There's always someone open, what matters though, is if they are open when the QB looks his way. A QB may or may not go through all his reads. Sometimes they decide where to go with the ball pre-snap or right after the snap because they see a match up / scenario they like. On that play Eli looked that way at the start, but it was probably just to mess with the safety. Then he looked to his right and tossed it to Nnamdi...I mean Barden.

                    Let it go bro. Lets focus on the Browns.


                    “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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                    • #55
                      Bradshaw in the flat would have been the better call....I see what you're saying about Bennett, but by the time he's in the fram, the ball is released and defender are turning toward Barden.
                      "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                      "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                        Bradshaw in the flat would have been the better call....I see what you're saying about Bennett, but by the time he's in the fram, the ball is released and defender are turning toward Barden.
                        Actually there is one out there that shows him from the LOS. He was never covered
                        Football has been very, very good to us.
                        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                        4-New York Giants!!!
                        5-NE
                        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                        • #57
                          Maybe the 22 will show it tomorrow
                          Football has been very, very good to us.
                          After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                          But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                          # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                          1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                          2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                          3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                          4-New York Giants!!!
                          5-NE
                          Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                          ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                          • #58
                            Something not being said here... If you watch the vid, you can clearly see the play was going to Barden from the start. There was no progressions on that play. Eli never even looked anywhere else so to complain Bennet was open doesn't matter. Not to mention they are racing the clock. Eli can't be sitting there picking and choosing at that point.

                            As Eli said, it was a bad throw and Barden actually made a smart play by not allowing a turnover. The Eagles, for whatever reason have our number. Why is that so hard to come to terms with? They can beat us every game for all I care, it hasn't won them a superbowl yet. We'll bounce back.

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                            • #59
                              I think that milk has already been spilt, we know that it wasn't the correct place to throw so....move on! I also don't think he had a ton of time to make a decision back there he was worried about the pressure and got rid of the ball really to quickly in my opinion!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
                                Bennet was not wide open. The LBer in charge of coverage of Bennett read Eli and jumped towards the side Eli threw at right about the time Eli threw it.

                                Had Eli peeped back over at Bennett, or worse, stared Bennett down, coverage would have been there no doubt.
                                The only smart one so far. As soon as Eli releases the LB pulls off, Bennet was hardly wide open when he made his read. Watch again.
                                Just when I don't think it can get any worse, I think of you Ray. I have been to the abyss....thank you for helping me stay positive.

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