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    I want Nicks out there as much as anybody (he's killing my fantasy team), but in the long run I think this is a positive.

    If Nicks had a monster year he would be in line for a HUGE contract. He would probably be looking for something just short of Larry Fitz money. Given the Giants have to take care of Cruz with JPP (highest paid defender ever?) on the horizon, I don't know if they would have sprung for that. Now Nicks can't possibly expect a monster contract mainly because of his injury history. Certainly he is due a raise, but it shouldn't be a cap-crippling contract. This way we can keep both Cruz and Nicks for years to come.

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    its true. that is one small positive that comes from this.

    but i dont think nicks is as hurt as some (buddy) around here say. i'd bet he returns for the SF game. pretty much every nfl player would aggravate their knees if they went from strict rest all week, to full bore on gamedays...he'll be alright. but that is a good bargaining chip altho it could also work against us bc Nicks could believe he is worth x amount of dollars and JR believes he's worth y amount, and JR wont overpay for any FA from his past dealings...so...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
      I want Nicks out there as much as anybody (he's killing my fantasy team), but in the long run I think this is a positive.

      If Nicks had a monster year he would be in line for a HUGE contract. He would probably be looking for something just short of Larry Fitz money. Given the Giants have to take care of Cruz with JPP (highest paid defender ever?) on the horizon, I don't know if they would have sprung for that. Now Nicks can't possibly expect a monster contract mainly because of his injury history. Certainly he is due a raise, but it shouldn't be a cap-crippling contract. This way we can keep both Cruz and Nicks for years to come.
      When the time comes I guarantee you Nicks (if he recovers fully from what nags him now and avoids further more significant injuries) gets more than Cruz. If Cruz is agreeable to that because he is more endorseable (off the field endorsements) than Nicks then the Giants will hopefully be able to find a way to keep them both.
      Last edited by repeatchamps; 10-04-2012, 02:10 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
        I want Nicks out there as much as anybody (he's killing my fantasy team), but in the long run I think this is a positive.

        If Nicks had a monster year he would be in line for a HUGE contract. He would probably be looking for something just short of Larry Fitz money. Given the Giants have to take care of Cruz with JPP (highest paid defender ever?) on the horizon, I don't know if they would have sprung for that. Now Nicks can't possibly expect a monster contract mainly because of his injury history. Certainly he is due a raise, but it shouldn't be a cap-crippling contract. This way we can keep both Cruz and Nicks for years to come.
        Didn't the Giants throw a bunch of money a T2? (I know there were outs written into the contract but we shouldn't have offered him a copper penny)

        The Giants are willy nilly with their money which is why we're always in cap hell.

        And Nicks is gonna want that Larry Fitz money regardless. A swollen knee and a broken bone in the foot does not translate to an injury risk on the open market.
        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

        Burier: Yes.

        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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        • #5
          Here is nothing good that can come from losing a top 5 WR. Tell us this if they miss the playoffs or lose another divisional game and he is in the bench.

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          • #6
            I'm sure Nicks has an agent who would laugh at his idea. He has put up the numbers to get him the money. If the Giants can't afford him or try to low ball him because he is hurt he will leave.

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            • #7
              This is just a wishful thinking of a fan, Nicks will get his money, Giants would be fools to expect a discount deal out of Nicks. I only hope that FO would not think too little of Nicks and let him go and think they'll find another Nicks right away or something, Nicks is one of those WRs who only comes around once a decade.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                I'm sure Nicks has an agent who would laugh at his idea. He has put up the numbers to get him the money. If the Giants can't afford him or try to low ball him because he is hurt he will leave.
                Agree with this. IMO they will offer him something similar to what they offered smith after his monster year, adjusted for inflation of course. That is, if they can find the cap room.

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                • #9
                  No, the injury to our #1 WR is not a positive no matter how you spin it. It sucks.

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                  • #10
                    The Redskins or Raiders will pay him top dollar if we won't (ie: Cornelius Griffin, Barry Cofield, Gibril Wilson, Kevin Boss). Sure he might lose some money due to his injury history, but Reese should still give him a deserving contract considering what he's done and how important he actually is to this offense.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                      I'm sure Nicks has an agent who would laugh at his idea. He has put up the numbers to get him the money. If the Giants can't afford him or try to low ball him because he is hurt he will leave.
                      That's free agency in a nutshell
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by burier View Post
                        Didn't the Giants throw a bunch of money a T2? (I know there were outs written into the contract but we shouldn't have offered him a copper penny)

                        The Giants are willy nilly with their money which is why we're always in cap hell.

                        And Nicks is gonna want that Larry Fitz money regardless. A swollen knee and a broken bone in the foot does not translate to an injury risk on the open market.
                        No, Giants are always tight against the cap because they have a bunch of talented players.

                        Usually the teams with a bunch of cap space are those devoid of talent.

                        The only player that we'll pretty much HAVE to give a new contract to next season will be Cruz b/c he's essentially playing on a UDFA contract right now.

                        Nicks I think still has one more year after this contract (usually 1st rounders sign for 5 years) and JPP I believe still has two years. They're both being payed like 1st rounders so they're not exactly going poor.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SuperNYGiants View Post
                          This is just a wishful thinking of a fan, Nicks will get his money, Giants would be fools to expect a discount deal out of Nicks. I only hope that FO would not think too little of Nicks and let him go and think they'll find another Nicks right away or something, Nicks is one of those WRs who only comes around once a decade.
                          Lets not get crazy here. He's not a once in a decade talent. He is a very good player but not transcendant. He hasn't broken 1200 yards recieving once (Cruz hit 1500 last year alone) in part because of his injuries. And the injuries will count at contract time. The Giants may franchise him or perhaps he gets Desean Jackson money but if he misses most of this year there is no way they break the bank for him.

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                          • #14
                            Depending on how Barden and Randle progress this year,I believe will give the Giants there bargaining tool.If the two start to shine in this system I believe they will pay Cruz and maybe not low ball Nicks but not offer him what he believes he is worth because of his injury problems.This will give them leverage over Nicks,He probly will walk if he is not paid top receiver dollar,and as the past has shown most x Giants do not flourish in other systems.Although ther is some exception to the rule.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TrueBlue@NYC View Post
                              No, Giants are always tight against the cap because they have a bunch of talented players.

                              Usually the teams with a bunch of cap space are those devoid of talent.

                              The only player that we'll pretty much HAVE to give a new contract to next season will be Cruz b/c he's essentially playing on a UDFA contract right now.

                              Nicks I think still has one more year after this contract (usually 1st rounders sign for 5 years) and JPP I believe still has two years. They're both being payed like 1st rounders so they're not exactly going poor.
                              There is no way the Giants let JPP get to the final year of his deal without a new one being done. No way. If there is one guy the Giants break the bank for it's JPP. A 23 year-old All-Pro D-Lineman who many consider the best in the game. I wish I was his agent.

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