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  • #16
    Originally posted by Captain Chaos View Post
    The Eagles spent more time in the Backfield than Brown did last game. The interior of this line has to step it up. Bradshaw is going nowhere if he is greeted by a 300 lb lineman just after he gets the ball handed to him, that did happen. The Browns have some LARGE DTs (330+) which really worries me. I'm not sure if Baas will be able to handle that...
    he seemed to do a good job against Woofolk(sp) in the superbowl
    "When I was 15, I could not believe how dumb my father was.....when I was 25, I could not believe how much he had learned in 10 years"

    1st to use the phrase "In Reese we trust"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      The OL is not fine. They do a better job at pass blocking but have been struggling to block well when running the ball for over a year now. For every run you want to blame Bradshaw for not going the right way you can blame the OL 5 times for having defenders almost take the hand off from Eli. They ran the ball well playing from behind against Tampa and then hers are not a good team.
      In life, you going to have weaknesses and strengths. This is why I get on some posters when they talk about execution like it is automatic. Well it is not cause the play can be executed well and still fail cause the play does not hide the weakness or the opposition's defensive play was the better one.

      We also have to look at our players. Reese is not going to get that pefect team. Sometimes we have luck and that can work against you. We also have Novice players as wellso it is hard to say that the O-line is not doing a good job especially when you have five main blockers and no help can make things harder.

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      • #18
        Ahmad Bradshaw adjusts his runs because he iz not getting the lanes and the blocks required from the offensive line. Heck, we are even having problems with snapping the ball properly.This O line has been a problem for the past few seasons and they are now at their absolute worst.I bELIeve.

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        • #19
          At our core the problem is that we just don't have the talent. Our best OL Snee is only above average at this point in his career. Our average guys are below average NFL grade OL (Baas and Beatty). Our bottom guys are downright scary at times and below average NFL linemen (Diehl, Boothe, Locklear, Petrus and Brewer). We need considerable overhaul but that won't happen until the offseason.

          In the meantime, I agree that Bradshaw could help as Brown did with a more decisive forthright running style.
          No one remembers who came in second.

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          • #20
            Lockler has been awesome Jomo imo
            Last edited by giantsfan420; 10-06-2012, 12:19 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
              Lockler has been awesome Jomo imo
              You are right, especially given how we got him. I was just a roll and reached a bit. Allow me to remain frightened of Diehl, Boothe and Petrus with nothing special reviews on the rest.
              No one remembers who came in second.

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              • #22
                Beatty is quietly putting together a really nice season. He finally got the Trent Cole monkey off of his back last week and I'm really looking forward to see him battle Aldon Smith when we go to SF.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jomo View Post
                  You are right, especially given how we got him. I was just a roll and reached a bit. Allow me to remain frightened of Diehl, Boothe and Petrus with nothing special reviews on the rest.
                  i agreed with everything else u wrote tho. how would u fix the OL? draft? FA? both? we def/ need an influx of young talent

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                    i agreed with everything else u wrote tho. how would u fix the OL? draft? FA? both? we def/ need an influx of young talent
                    It is probably a multi year project. We need to reload with projects on the practice squad that have more upside than our current crop. I think if we can find a stud at LG in free agency, we can muddle through with the rest for another year. However we need to begin reloading our depth immediately because Snee and Diehl and Locklear and Baas, now 31 will all need to be replaced. that can happen through the draft and prehaps mid level FA signings.
                    No one remembers who came in second.

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                    • #25
                      I completely agree with the OP, it makes perfect sense to me. Each of our offensive linemen need to figure out how to read Bradshaw's mind. Once that is out of the way, they can can learn to read the minds of opposing defensive linemen to know in advance what type of dance moves they plan on using to try to get past them on a pass rush.

                      I'm emailing Coughlin right now. Thanks OP.


                      “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ELIte4MVP View Post
                        gotcha. yeah i agree i mean the run blocking hasn't been great, but he really needs to trust the play more. its getting ridiculous
                        Bradshaw bailed on his blocking on the most important running play of the game......that's not according to me.....that's according to Carl Banks, who said there was a nice gain there for the taking if Bradshaw stuck with his blocks.

                        So instead of maybe 2nd and 3 and a field goal of under 40 yards, it's 2nd and long.

                        My point is that Bradshaw makes the offensive line look much worse than it really is. I think the line is fine.

                        Back when Bradshaw had explosiveness and cutback ability, his helter-skelter running style could be understood.

                        I feel like I'm watching an aging pitcher that has lost his fastball, but still wants to challenge the sluggers with high heat.
                        Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 10-06-2012, 02:10 PM.
                        "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                        "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
                          I completely agree with the OP, it makes perfect sense to me. Each of our offensive linemen need to figure out how to read Bradshaw's mind. Once that is out of the way, they can can learn to read the minds of opposing defensive linemen to know in advance what type of dance moves they plan on using to try to get past them on a pass rush.

                          I'm emailing Coughlin right now. Thanks OP.
                          The same line that made Andre Brown look like Arian Foster?.....the same line that gave up zero sacks v. Philly? Okay, gotcha.
                          "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                          "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                          • #28
                            Don't forget that Bradshaw played most of the game and he had something to do win Eli not getting sacked.

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                            • #29
                              Posters talk about we need to do this and we need to do that but I say inorder to do some things, the team needs to have a bad record so they can get some of the players in the high rounds. Giants had so much success in past seasons that most of the time they are in the late or middle rounds. They haven't had a real early round since they drafted Rivers I think. There are going to be some players in the high rounds with a lot of talent and they are going to go early.

                              Another thing we have to look at is prepare our young talent. We need to start doing that even if we have a bad season. It is time to get Randle going and maybe Barden. These guys along with Wilson at rb hopefully can give us more talent than teams can handle. I think that the Giants maybe should move up and get a big prospect at O-line a star our backs can run behind to give the Giants a power running game you guys love.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                                Beatty is quietly putting together a really nice season. He finally got the Trent Cole monkey off of his back last week and I'm really looking forward to see him battle Aldon Smith when we go to SF.
                                Beatty is the only bright spot on our offensive line now that Snee is hurt

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