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  • #61
    Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
    Didn't they win last year with a horrible running game?
    Once we got to the last 6 games of the season the running game jumped to one of the best in the NFL

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      Didn't they win last year with a horrible running game?
      Yes, but eventually that time is going to run out. Live by the sword and die by the sword. They need to establish an effective running game at some point or eventually they will peter out. Doesn't mean a running game where they are game breakers but a game they will have to respect.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by OX1 View Post
        Great, so play conservative ball straight to last in the division. Got a gift last year winning div with such a crappy record. Not going to happen again. Start running 2 back sets if thats what it takes to get these other RB's out there. Let Wilson chip and go out to the flats or take a screen. Get the ball out quick and Eli won't have to worry about a sack.
        Wilson hasn't shown he can catch a pass out of the backfield yet
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #64
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          Wilson hasn't shown he can catch a pass out of the backfield yet
          and......

          Roger Craig only caught 16 in college and went on to become the most prolific NFL receiver out of the backfield in its history

          You have to throw a few his way to make this determination.....he caught quite a few in college

          I'm just trying to see if we can get him in to space from the LOS......its worth a try

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          • #65
            He also dropped a couple so far.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Eli TO Shockey View Post
              I would also like to see both guys get more PT...but I trust the coaching staff....

              2 things bug the F out of Coughlin. Guys who fumble, and guys who cant block. If you can't be trusted in the backfield, then you're not gonna see significant playing time. Wilson was set to be the 50/50 guy until he fumbed wk 1. Both guys will see an increased role as time goes on, its just not gonna happen overnight.
              I agree 100%. And like it or not, protecting Eli is HUGE for this team.

              I also would like to see Brown more, but I think especially against a D like the egals you have to go with the coach's decisions. I bet you see him a lot more this week.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                Wilson hasn't shown he can catch a pass out of the backfield yet
                i dunno bout that, he hasnt really had an attempt in the backfield. that shovel play was more like a play action screen at the LOS...he did have that real nice reception vs chicago in the preseason. besides those, he's had a couple drops but iirc, when he was lined up out wide...

                its kinda funny. its like the chicken or the egg, some people want a rb to get the majority of carries to see what they can produce while others are saying they want to see him get 100 yds vs a good defense before they give him the majority of the carries. like lol, the only way a rb is gonna catch passes out of the backfield, or run for 100 yds, is if u give em a chance. imo we've give bradshaw tons of chances/opportunities...and he hasnt won everyone over, and thats bc of his play not winning everyone over...maybe its time someone else get the shot bradshaw got

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                • #68
                  This article is a bunch of bull****. Gilbride has been ****ting the bed against the Eagles since Andre Brown was in high school.

                  1-8 with Bradshaw against the Eagles.....give me break.

                  Here's the newsflash: KEVIN GILBRIDE STINKS AGAINST THE EAGLES.
                  Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 10-06-2012, 01:46 AM.
                  "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                  "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    Wilson hasn't shown he can catch a pass out of the backfield yet
                    So what. The upside is huge when he gets one in space. It's not like he can't catch.
                    Had no problem getting kickoffs and that is when you have to also keep an eye
                    on getting hammered @ full speed.

                    This is a player we have to develop as soon as possible. A running game can help
                    solve our d rotation issue big time..........
                    Last edited by OX1; 10-06-2012, 05:05 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                      i dunno bout that, he hasnt really had an attempt in the backfield. that shovel play was more like a play action screen at the LOS...he did have that real nice reception vs chicago in the preseason. besides those, he's had a couple drops but iirc, when he was lined up out wide...

                      its kinda funny. its like the chicken or the egg, some people want a rb to get the majority of carries to see what they can produce while others are saying they want to see him get 100 yds vs a good defense before they give him the majority of the carries. like lol, the only way a rb is gonna catch passes out of the backfield, or run for 100 yds, is if u give em a chance. imo we've give bradshaw tons of chances/opportunities...and he hasnt won everyone over, and thats bc of his play not winning everyone over...maybe its time someone else get the shot bradshaw got
                      Bradshaw got a shot when our O-line wasn't crap. Imagine Wilson with that line.
                      The only way your winning with all these injuries is to not to play conservative/scared.
                      If we had everyone healthy, then play their game, but we don't. Need to figure
                      out how to mix it up.
                      Last edited by OX1; 10-06-2012, 05:18 AM.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                        and......

                        Roger Craig only caught 16 in college and went on to become the most prolific NFL receiver out of the backfield in its history

                        You have to throw a few his way to make this determination.....he caught quite a few in college

                        I'm just trying to see if we can get him in to space from the LOS......its worth a try

                        I agree with you and there's a time and a place for that. He's had limited chances because he has fumbled and dropped a pass. He's a rookie, he will be a great back for us when he develops
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                          i dunno bout that, he hasnt really had an attempt in the backfield. that shovel play was more like a play action screen at the LOS...he did have that real nice reception vs chicago in the preseason. besides those, he's had a couple drops but iirc, when he was lined up out wide...

                          its kinda funny. its like the chicken or the egg, some people want a rb to get the majority of carries to see what they can produce while others are saying they want to see him get 100 yds vs a good defense before they give him the majority of the carries. like lol, the only way a rb is gonna catch passes out of the backfield, or run for 100 yds, is if u give em a chance. imo we've give bradshaw tons of chances/opportunities...and he hasnt won everyone over, and thats bc of his play not winning everyone over...maybe its time someone else get the shot bradshaw got
                          True and that's been Brown so far.
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
                            Either they suck at blocking, which is inherently up to coaching (ala their faults) or they really dont and are just giving fluffy answers to excuse themselves of playing favorites
                            Totally agree. Coughlin needs to do what's best for team and not someone's ego.

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                            • #74
                              You guys are funny. It's the coaches fault? How so? They aren't covering pass protection with the RB's in practice? The physical aspect of it is easier for them to coach because they can watch the guy block in practice and let him know what he's doing wrong technique wise. The mental stuff, like knowing the playbook and understanding blitz pick up etc. is more on the player's ability to recognize what's going happening on the other side of the LOS.

                              Fans are being made aware of this now, but I'm pretty sure the owners and Reese know about this stuff from interacting with coaches through out the day-to-day team activities. So if our 100 million dollar QB gets hurt because of a blown assignment by a work-in-progress RB, Coughlin will take a lot of heat and look incompetent. I'm sure the staff wants Brown on the field as much as possible because he has been an efficient runner, but he's gotta help himself get on the field more.


                              “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by BeatYale View Post
                                You guys are funny. It's the coaches fault? How so? They aren't covering pass protection with the RB's in practice? The physical aspect of it is easier for them to coach because they can watch the guy block in practice and let him know what he's doing wrong technique wise. The mental stuff, like knowing the playbook and understanding blitz pick up etc. is more on the player's ability to recognize what's going happening on the other side of the LOS.

                                Fans are being made aware of this now, but I'm pretty sure the owners and Reese know about this stuff from interacting with coaches through out the day-to-day team activities. So if our 100 million dollar QB gets hurt because of a blown assignment by a work-in-progress RB, Coughlin will take a lot of heat and look incompetent. I'm sure the staff wants Brown on the field as much as possible because he has been an efficient runner, but he's gotta help himself get on the field more.
                                Now you're just being silly. To think the coaches could know anything more than we fans is, well just silly.

                                Both Wilson and Brown have acknowledged they have to do better and .in Wilson's case, he's a rookie. There is a reason Brown has been on a number of teams without latching on. I like both of them and I think, at this moment in time, Brown has proven he can run with the ball without fumbling. Wilson has given us a return game we haven't seen since Jesus was a corporal. To say they're not being used is inaccurate. The have talents that the coaches are putting to use as they develop their shortcomings.

                                And for some to suggest that the coaches placing a high priority on protecting Eli is bad planning, aren't old enough to remember the truly dark days of this franchise.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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