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  • #76
    The best offensive performances - both rushing and passing - came with Andre Brown in the backfield.

    I'm not sure what's been going on in practices, but a 2-0 record with Bradshaw out of the game tells me the pass protection held up.

    Frankly, I think Gilbride helped to lose this game.....but again, as his record shows, he is awful against the Eagles. Last week I felt like I was watching the 2008 Playoffs

    The Giants are not going to win tomorrow if they bring the same lousy offensive gameplan in against the Browns that they brought against the Eagles.

    Fortunately, the game is at home....so if Brown is mothballed again, and the running game blows again, Gilbride will be hearing it from the fans.
    "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

    "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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    • #77
      Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
      The best offensive performances - both rushing and passing - came with Andre Brown in the backfield.

      I'm not sure what's been going on in practices, but a 2-0 record with Bradshaw out of the game tells me the pass protection held up.

      Frankly, I think Gilbride helped to lose this game.....but again, as his record shows, he is awful against the Eagles. Last week I felt like I was watching the 2008 Playoffs

      The Giants are not going to win tomorrow if they bring the same lousy offensive gameplan in against the Browns that they brought against the Eagles.

      Fortunately, the game is at home....so if Brown is mothballed again, and the running game blows again, Gilbride will be hearing it from the fans.

      As he does after every game
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #78
        Lol. I can't believe this is still going on. This is how it would be on every team in the league, even in college. If a RB can not block he will not get on the field as much. It's that simple. The Giants where playing the best pass rush in the NFL and you want them to allow guys who have good upside play while the franchise QB gets lit up? This is comical. Oh, and they still could have won the game. There where plenty of things that went wrong that game and protecting Eli was not one of them.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
          Lol. I can't believe this is still going on. This is how it would be on every team in the league, even in college. If a RB can not block he will not get on the field as much. It's that simple. The Giants where playing the best pass rush in the NFL and you want them to allow guys who have good upside play while the franchise QB gets lit up? This is comical. Oh, and they still could have won the game. There where plenty of things that went wrong that game and protecting Eli was not one of them.
          I posted another article in which Gilbride gives his thoughts on Nicks, Randle, and the running game. Just some insight into the thought process.
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • #80
            I still can't believe how much overreacting there is to Andre's game against Carolina. He had a huge game, but it was against a team with a bottom-5 Run defense and pass rush. (Why doesn't that get taken into account?) And you know he had some extra juice playing in front of his hometown and family on a national stage. The coaches didn't overreact to it -- maybe we shouldn't either.

            This over-inflated impressiveness of his performance -- as if he manhandled the Steel Curtain -- is just out of control. Carolina just let the extremely slow-footed (and that's generous) Michael Turner do this to them last week:

            Rush: 13-103-7.9 YPC
            AND
            Receiving: 3-68-1TD (with a career best 60-yard catch and run...pathetic)

            Carolina's D is bad. REALLY BAD. They've been making every running back look like a HOFer for the past 3 years.

            I'm sure if the coaches don't trust Brown as much as Bradshaw in pass pro, it's probably because he's missed some assignments in practice, and they don't fully trust him...yet. Two SB wins and we still don't trust that the coaching staff knows what they're doing. What's it gonna take?

            If Eli goes down, you can put Barry Sanders in his prime back there and we'd still be competing with the Jets for top pick in the draft. You'd be "robbing Peter to pay Paul" by having a marginal improvement in rushing at the potential expense of protecting our most important commodity.

            That said, I'm thinking he'll get a fair amount of carries tomorrow against CLE where pass rush isn't as big an issue, and ideally, we'll have a lead and not in shotgun all game.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Eli TO Shockey View Post
              I would also like to see both guys get more PT...but I trust the coaching staff....

              2 things bug the F out of Coughlin. Guys who fumble, and guys who cant block. If you can't be trusted in the backfield, then you're not gonna see significant playing time. Wilson was set to be the 50/50 guy until he fumbed wk 1. Both guys will see an increased role as time goes on, its just not gonna happen overnight.
              Cool. Then don't expect to see us establish a running game overnight.

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              • #82
                Good article in Pro Football Weekly on getting Brown more work...

                http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...rits-more-work

                Should the Giants give more carries to Andre Brown and fewer to Ahmad Bradshaw? With Bradshaw back in the lineup in Week Four against the Eagles following the neck injury he suffered against the Buccaneers in Week Two, he was held to 39 yards on 13 carries. Bradshaw’s long run of the game was nine yards, and he had six rushes of two yards or fewer. It’s a small sample size — one week back from a scary injury — but the feeling around the Giants after their loss to the Eagles is that Brown, the catalyst in Weeks Two and Three, could get more opportunities......
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                  Good article in Pro Football Weekly on getting Brown more work...

                  http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...rits-more-work
                  I'm with them in theory, but still defer to the coaching staff.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #84
                    I am very late to this thread but this one is easily solved. Brown needs to block better. He is plenty physical. He just needs to sharpen his technique a little and his recognition alot. Go Blue!!
                    No one remembers who came in second.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by SackingMyths View Post
                      I still can't believe how much overreacting there is to Andre's game against Carolina. He had a huge game, but it was against a team with a bottom-5 Run defense and pass rush. (Why doesn't that get taken into account?) And you know he had some extra juice playing in front of his hometown and family on a national stage. The coaches didn't overreact to it -- maybe we shouldn't either.

                      This over-inflated impressiveness of his performance -- as if he manhandled the Steel Curtain -- is just out of control. Carolina just let the extremely slow-footed (and that's generous) Michael Turner do this to them last week:

                      Rush: 13-103-7.9 YPC
                      AND
                      Receiving: 3-68-1TD (with a career best 60-yard catch and run...pathetic)

                      Carolina's D is bad. REALLY BAD. They've been making every running back look like a HOFer for the past 3 years.

                      I'm sure if the coaches don't trust Brown as much as Bradshaw in pass pro, it's probably because he's missed some assignments in practice, and they don't fully trust him...yet. Two SB wins and we still don't trust that the coaching staff knows what they're doing. What's it gonna take?

                      If Eli goes down, you can put Barry Sanders in his prime back there and we'd still be competing with the Jets for top pick in the draft. You'd be "robbing Peter to pay Paul" by having a marginal improvement in rushing at the potential expense of protecting our most important commodity.

                      That said, I'm thinking he'll get a fair amount of carries tomorrow against CLE where pass rush isn't as big an issue, and ideally, we'll have a lead and not in shotgun all game.
                      I brought up Turner and Carolina's 134 rush yds allowed per game to all the "anti-brads" and failed to get a response. Turner is a decent back who put up career numbers on CAR.

                      The same folks who knock Bradshaws TB performance before he had to leave the game (AFTER 5 CARRIES) give Brown a pass in in the Eagles game because he didn't get to touch the ball as much.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by jomo View Post
                        I am very late to this thread but this one is easily solved. Brown needs to block better. He is plenty physical. He just needs to sharpen his technique a little and his recognition alot. Go Blue!!
                        So wise for such a young man
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #87
                          I dont remember Eli being under seige the 6 straight Qtrs that Brown played.........I must be losing my marbles

                          2 of those were against TB who has a pretty decent D

                          Ok Ok I get it.....Brown can't block.....or Brown has bad blocking technique.....Guess what? Bradshaw has very bad running technique, he is emulating the great departed and ever in the tub- Brandon Jacobs.....no patience, no vision, runing right into his own blockers

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                          • #88
                            What Can Brown Do For You ?

                            a 100 + yards would do the trick.

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                            • #89
                              I'd love to see it next week, but fat chance..... apparently Bradshaw is the second coming of Anthony Munoz....so they'll stick with the magic that has given us an 0-2 NFC East record.
                              "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                              "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                              • #90
                                he will play. If for any reason we fall behind and rely on Eli to throw the ball, AB #1 will be in the backfield. he needs to earn the trust of coaches.

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