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  • #16
    Originally posted by sheepdip View Post
    Please educate me someone

    When your leading in the 3rd quarter by 17 points, should you be calling 3 straight pass plays ?? All of them turned out to be incomplete and took no time off the clock and also you never know pick 6 and new game. Now a lot of you will jump and say well we won the game who cares. Well yes this is true but it was the Browns and not Pats or Falcons or some other team that can get it going on offense. This to me is just bad game management and this somehow reminds me of Buddy Ryan punching Killdrive years ago ????. or the eagles game that I will never forget a few years back.

    There just isnt a need for 3 straight passes. I am not saying you cant pass with lead but on a day your running the ball effectively or at least if not, with a lead its something that you should be working on anyways as we struggled at times this year running. Quick turn over of downs and stopping clock is just terrible game management in my opinion. Run once and than twice and pass on 3rd down. Seems simple to me ? i guess they like to over think things.

    At least when you run 1 or 2 times you have a chance for positive yardage and take time off clock and perhaps even get a 1st down. Gives the defense a rest and lessons the distance for a 3rd down attempt.

    I don't know maybe I don't understand simple football.

    Hopefully our coaches look back and realize this (probably wont) and that it doesnt get us in a big game. lets face it, our D isnt playing like other years where we could rely on them.

    Eli often changes plays at the line according to what he sees on the defense. I'm sure he knows what he is doing.


    • #17
      I attribute it to two things:

      (1) the defense expect you to run so keep them honest and/orr off balance
      (2) being aggressive and going for even more points

      However, the reasons you run in this situation are not just that you kill the clock but it's demoralizing and exhausting for the defense to try to stop run plays down after down after down.

      Of course this greed of going for more through the air lost us the Philly game
      Last edited by SweetZombieJesus; 10-10-2012, 07:46 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by giantsfam04 View Post
        I was thinking the same thing when I saw that series. There are several things that go into this though, Eli has a lot of control when it comes to the plays. He may have checked out of a run because he saw a matchup he liked or based on what the d was doing decided to throw it. One thing I did notice during the game was on Bradshaw's td run in the 2nd quarter, where the checks Eli was making I don't think I ever heard any qb point out the will or safety.
        Funny you should mention that! I noticed too and commented to my wife that i had never heard it b4.... It was ironic cause i was just briefly explaining why eli would say 52 is the mike


        • #19
          Third quarter is too early to think like that.


          • #20
            Originally posted by PRGiant View Post
            Third quarter is too early to think like that.
            Exactly, you still have another quarter to drive the knife in deeper. Prevent defenses and conservative offenses should be saved until you the very end of the game. The offense was having their way with Cleveland, but still it was too early to run the clock down.


            • #21
              Originally posted by GMan-67 View Post
              god you hate THE BEST offensive coordinator ever in Giants history ... we scored 41 points

              and teams this past week that were satisfied settling for long FGs to win instead of trying to advance the ball further, all lost, so while our execution at the end of Philly was poor (well poor from a concussed player) ... our attack mode strategy was spot on

              in this league, if you take your foot off the pedal ... you lose ... if the D puts 8 or 9 in the box, you dont bang your head against the wall ... you take what they give

              and finally, what has been pointed out a million times ... Eli changes plays ... helloooo, he's not one of these game manager QBs that has no choice but to run the play that is called
              spot on
              Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

              ~Big Mike~


              • #22
                ppl dont seem to understand KG's pass to setup the run...yeah, it means we'll have a few 3 n outs, but it also means that we're forcing the D to respect our ability to pass on any down, which in essence opens up running lanes. We prob went 3 n out that drive, but I'd bet we drove the field on the next one or at least had a few first downs with some good runs


                • #23
                  and if anything im glad KG didnt go straight into a run run pass shell (see meadowlands meltdown 2)...we should be doing whatever the defense isnt set to defend all game, not just when we're in the lead. cleveland and other teams will keep stacking the box late in games when trailing if u dont threaten them with the pass, making the running game stagnant.


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sheepdip View Post
                    When you run 3 times at least you take time off the clock and at least gain some positive yardage, throwing 3 in-completes helps the other team actually.

                    Isnt this common sense.

                    I didnt say run 3 times punt for the rest of the game but I was a little shocked than with a decent lead we threw 3 straight incompletions. Whereas we could have slipped in a run or 2 and throw on 3rd.
                    no it isnt. u assume that running the ball magically gains us yardage. if the d is ready for the run, ur looking at no gain or loss of yardage, how many times do wee see that. kg passes to setup the run. he's constantly planning ahead and setting traps. the d has to drop their safeties off in coverage when we show we will pass on any down.


                    • #25
                      Funny thread really. Oh the team did something you wouldn't have done yourself? Shocker!!

                      I always assume that the OC and the teams knows a lot more about the situation that I do, sitting in my couch far from the game.

                      Second thing is, we are completing roughly 2/3 of our passes. So throwing 3 times when the defense is favoring run stuffing is actually a pretty solid idea. So even though it didn't work this time, it was a chance worth taking as I see it.

                      Finally, we are talking about the third quarter up by 17. Way too soon to be defending the lead. Didn't we score 25 points in the 4th quarter alone quite recently?