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  • While the 49ers are a good team, who have they beat?

    It was a great win for them in week one vs GB. But we have seen that GB is not the same as they have been in recent years. The 49ers also beat the Bills and Jets, but only lost to the Vikes.

    The Giants oline is playing a little bit better since D2 is out (and I have been a big fan of his, but the tackle spot exposes him). Recall that last year during the season we had a chance to win it on the final drive, but KG had a horrible game plan that day. All those 3-4 wr sets in the shotgun & calling HB draws, and the tip on the last play by smith I believe. Only thing that still annoys me to this day is not allowing Eli to work the no huddle/hurry up offense when the offense is struggling and can use it to get in a rhythm/tempo when it is obvious either Eli, the Wrs, or both need it. I believe that cost us the Eagles game more so than Barden, even though that was huge in itself.

    If our line has improve as did our run game, and the other guys besides cruz can make plays as they generally have been the last few weeks we have a solid shot. But our defense, especially defensive ends and run stopping has to seal up the holes this week. I am still not sold on Alex Smith. He showed how bad he was when going to the SB was on the line. Eli could have put much bigger numbers up that day if it wasn't for the weather.

    It should be another good game, to bad we have to go back there for a 3rd time in the last year practically.
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    DragonSoul



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    45-3 and 34-0 isn't just a beating... that's called beating the living **** out of teams. The Vikings caught em off guard and might be an underrated squad sitting at 4-1 themselves.

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    • #3
      You can make the exact same statement about our Giants...only the evidence is even stronger.
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      • #4
        Teams they beat have a combined record of 6 wins and 13 loses with one team having a bye already so it could likely be 6 - 14
        Forget the Past, Live for the Future!

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        • #5
          Teams we beat got a combined record of 2-12 with Tampa having a bye so it can easily be 2-13. Regardless of the records, this game is gonna be a hard hitting battle with the Niners looking towards to trying to embarrass us and get into our heads early. We better be ready to match their intensity or we might find ourselves trying to climb out of a BIG hole.

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          • #6
            While the giants are a good team, who have they beat?

            OR

            Who did they lose to?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
              Teams they beat have a combined record of 6 wins and 13 loses with one team having a bye already so it could likely be 6 - 14
              as I said, what can you say about us?

              Lets compare:

              The teams we have beat have a combined record of 2-12 with 1 bye.

              Assuming your facts are right the teams they beat have a 6-13 with 1 bye.

              So they have more wins vs better opponents, advantage ------49ers.

              The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 5-4 with 1 bye or a .555 winning precentage.

              the teams they have lost to have a 4-1 record or a .800 winning percentage.

              So again, they have beaten better teams than us and we have lost to worse teams then them. Advantage---49ers

              My point is that NONE of this matters. The game is all that matters.
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              • #8
                I made this same post a couple of days ago, they have only beatten weak teams and the one team they lost to is 4-1 Vikings; who are having a good year but not incredible. I think that the 49ers are a good team but as their record shows, beatable. Given that will our defense do I think that we have enough to keep them from scoring, I like the fact that River's and Hosely are coming back from their hammies, and that Rocky's quad is getting better. I think we will score points on them, we score points on everybody. The real question is will our D be able to stop the run and make them beat us through the air, I'm not certain with KP back their I'm a little more confident.

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                • #9
                  Difference between them n us is they blow out bad teams we keep them close. Plus they beat 1 more sucky team than we did. We can beat them if we stick nyg style football and stay discipline. Go giants!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                    as I said, what can you say about us?

                    Lets compare:

                    The teams we have beat have a combined record of 2-12 with 1 bye.

                    Assuming your facts are right the teams they beat have a 6-13 with 1 bye.

                    So they have more wins vs better opponents, advantage ------49ers.

                    The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 5-4 with 1 bye or a .555 winning precentage.

                    the teams they have lost to have a 4-1 record or a .800 winning percentage.

                    So again, they have beaten better teams than us and we have lost to worse teams then them. Advantage---49ers

                    My point is that NONE of this matters. The game is all that matters.
                    using a 16 game season to discuss these statistics can be misleading because any given week anyone can beat anyone, but thinking they mean anything after only 5 games is downright silly.

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                    • #11
                      I have to go back to Blue Santa on this, you are saying because they lost to one team that is 4 - 1 they have lost overall to better teams with 1 loss?

                      MInd boggeling.
                      Forget the Past, Live for the Future!

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                      • #12
                        Here's the thing. Statistics are great and all and give us great insight to possibilities of what can happen, but they can't full on predict these games. I'm hoping for a solid game, our D to play hard for 60 full minutes and for no injuries.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dnotch121 View Post
                          Difference between them n us is they blow out bad teams we keep them close. Plus they beat 1 more sucky team than we did. We can beat them if we stick nyg style football and stay discipline. Go giants!!!
                          But two of the sucky teams we lost to were div rivals.
                          We know how those games go, no matter how bad
                          one div rival seems vs another.

                          Noners div is much better than it's been, don't think
                          they are sweeping divisional "sucky" teams.
                          They might not be 2 and 0 against div rivals
                          if they had played them already.
                          Bottom line, not apples to apples.

                          Taking this ridiculousstat thing one step further, they lost
                          to a non-divisional rival, that while 4 and 1,
                          has played 4 teams that are 6 and 15.

                          So saying noners loss to "one good team"
                          is highly debatable. That "one good team" has not
                          played "anybody" worth mentioning yet.

                          Again, giants no better, but we are also not making
                          ourselves out to be the second coming.
                          Last edited by OX1; 10-12-2012, 12:20 PM.

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                          • #14
                            In order for these stats to really mean anything, you need to take the game they played against the 49ers out of the equasion. If you look every year at the worst teams and the best team opposition win % the winning teams always have a lower opp win % because THEY BEAT THE TEAMS ON THEIR SCHEDULE handing those teams a loss and pushing down that opp win %

                            So...taking Niner games OUT of the schedule....

                            Pack: 2-2
                            Lions: 1-2
                            Jets: 2-2
                            Bills: 2-2

                            That would make the records of those teams 7-8.

                            The Packers should actually have one more win because of the worst call in the history of the NFL, so really you are looking at 8-7.

                            Also, to be fair, the Niners aren't just winning. They are beating the Tar out of these teams. They are doing what you are supposed to do when you play a so-so team....CRUSHING them.

                            It is funny tho how things change. When the season started the talk was that the Niners would have a fall back to reality due to there very tough schedule. Many redicted 0-2 to start the season. Now peeps just say "who have they played"?

                            The reality is that you can only play the games on your schedule. Do I think that the two loses the Giants have or the fact that they beat 2 substandard teams has any bearing on the game on sunday? Not for a second. Just like I think the Packers are better than peeps give them credit for and so are the Lions....and so are the Giants for that matter.

                            All that matters is what happens on sunday.
                            Last edited by Marvin49; 10-12-2012, 12:46 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Marvin49 View Post
                              In order for these stats to really mean anything, you need to take the game they played against the 49ers out of the equasion. If you look every year at the worst teams and the best team opposition win % the winning teams always have a lower opp win % because THEY BEAT THE TEAMS ON THEIR SCHEDULE hading those teams a loss and pushing down that opp win %

                              So...taking Niner games OUT of the schedule....

                              Pack: 2-2
                              Lions: 1-2
                              Jets: 2-2
                              Bills: 2-2

                              That would make the records of those teams 7-8.

                              The Packers should actually have one more win because of the worst call in the history of the NFL, so really you are looking at 8-7.

                              Also, to be fair, the Niners aren't just winning. They are beating the Tar out of these teams. They are doing what you are supposed to do when you play a so-so team....CRUSHING them.

                              It is funny tho how things change. When the season started the talk was that the Niners would have a fall back to reality due to there very tough schedule. Many redicted 0-2 to start the season. Now peeps just say "who have they played"?

                              The reality is that you can only play the games on your schedule. Do I think that the two loses the Giants have or the fact that they beat 2 substandard teams has any bearing on the game on sunday? Not for a second. Just like I think the Packers are better than peeps give them credit for and so are the Lions....and so are the Giants for that matter.

                              All that matters is what happens on sunday.


                              Marvin forget all the stats..and all the BS........ ...I love a good game, and I am sure you do ! Why don't we talk about it on Monday ! Oh don't for get our Superman in the 4th Quarter, he does have that reputation, I am going to call him the "4th Quarter Superman "

                              GO Giants Super Bowl Champs..............Thanks to K. Williams !

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