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    O.K. I have been a Giants fan for over 20 years. And I must say I think Eli is being held back in this offense. How many times have we seen his Brother yell at guys to stay on the sideline when the coach clearly called something else and it worked. Eli's is very smart and studies like nobody else to be great. And I think if given the opportunity to call his own plays , well, let's just say with this teams overall talent, you'd never see anything else like it. Im not making a Eli v Peyton thread so shut up if you have any thoughts on that. I'm only saying I think he has all the tools to run this offense like he sees fit and put up huge numbers. His post game comments seem to support this theory. "settling for field goals" is something we hear way too much.
    Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

  • #2
    This is going to be ugly, I'm out.

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    • #3
      What? Gilbride gives Eli a set of plays and Eli is free to change and audible at the line of scrimmage.

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      • #4
        are you kidding me, how the hell is Eli being held back. He commands the offense because he has been given full freedom from the coaches. Bradshaw was having a Pinky the Cat moment last week because Eli decided to pass instead of run.

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        • #5
          You can't mention what peyton does and then say how come eli doesnt do this as well - there is one simple reason - these are two different men. Eli is simply not as boisterous - he leads in a much different way. Calling your own plays doesn't automatically make you better - that and eli can make all the checks and audibles he likes - and often does. Seems like you just want the pomp and frills of him running a no huddle and yelling out plays like peyton does - just not sure why as eli is thriving and so is the offense.

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          • #6
            2 superbowls in 4 years and 2 mvps, how is that being held back? last time I checked Peyton doesn't have that.

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            • #7
              I think this misses the mark.... Gilbride gives him leeway, I'm sure they can draw up something new if they see it!

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              • #8
                I guess. You guys make good points. I just felt like he could be even better if he ran the offense. Every qb audibles and changes plays, nothing special there. I mean most people think Killdrive isn't good one week then brilliant because they've won two superbowls together. I don't know. I just drove from Charlotte to Memphis and made that post. I was tired......
                Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gfanblue View Post
                  O.K. I have been a Giants fan for over 20 years. And I must say I think Eli is being held back in this offense. How many times have we seen his Brother yell at guys to stay on the sideline when the coach clearly called something else and it worked. Eli's is very smart and studies like nobody else to be great. And I think if given the opportunity to call his own plays , well, let's just say with this teams overall talent, you'd never see anything else like it. Im not making a Eli v Peyton thread so shut up if you have any thoughts on that. I'm only saying I think he has all the tools to run this offense like he sees fit and put up huge numbers. His post game comments seem to support this theory. "settling for field goals" is something we hear way too much.
                  Unbelievable
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    I will concede that the play calling seems to get too conservative in the red zone. I was hollering about them insisting upon establishing the run. I wouldn't have minded if they were ripping off chunks like we were getting from Brown, but for whatever reason it isn't happening with ABI.

                    I will also concede that I don't know who is making these calls. I'm pretty sure that a play or 2 is sent in, but whether Eli is making the final decision or just sticking with the play called is the grey area for me. I would tend to believe that ultimately Eli is making the decision.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gfanblue View Post
                      O.K. I have been a Giants fan for over 20 years. And I must say I think Eli is being held back in this offense. How many times have we seen his Brother yell at guys to stay on the sideline when the coach clearly called something else and it worked. Eli's is very smart and studies like nobody else to be great. And I think if given the opportunity to call his own plays , well, let's just say with this teams overall talent, you'd never see anything else like it. Im not making a Eli v Peyton thread so shut up if you have any thoughts on that. I'm only saying I think he has all the tools to run this offense like he sees fit and put up huge numbers. His post game comments seem to support this theory. "settling for field goals" is something we hear way too much.
                      I'm in line with this. I think there is too much of a difference in how the plays are called in the beginning of the game and at the end. Eli is looking way better in the 4th quarter, and I see two reasons for it:

                      1. Eli/Gilbride learns how the opposing defense is and exploits it.

                      2. The play calling is way to conservative in the beginning of the game. I wouldn't mind seeing more punts and more touchdowns. We are getting 3 points a lot, but like Dallas, it does win the game early. Mix it up!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                        I will concede that the play calling seems to get too conservative in the red zone. I was hollering about them insisting upon establishing the run. I wouldn't have minded if they were ripping off chunks like we were getting from Brown, but for whatever reason it isn't happening with ABI.

                        I will also concede that I don't know who is making these calls. I'm pretty sure that a play or 2 is sent in, but whether Eli is making the final decision or just sticking with the play called is the grey area for me. I would tend to believe that ultimately Eli is making the decision.
                        Obviously he calls what's best. The majority of comments seem to agree. I kinda believe KG is slowing him down. When you have a 23-0 lead step on their throat and don't let off. Where was Barden ? Did he play? I was out of town so had to TiVo. The fact that the other two backs are ripping off bigger chunks of yardage with no carries would say they are more effective. My comment wasn't a be-all-end-all summation of Eli and his 9 seasons as a giant, no, it was an individual's observation that i am entitled to and think if Eli was running the offense even 25% of the time not merely audibling at the line this team would be unreal. I wasn't knocking Eli's success or anything. I just think he's got more skill than we've seen.
                        Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gfanblue View Post
                          Obviously he calls what's best. The majority of comments seem to agree. I kinda believe KG is slowing him down. When you have a 23-0 lead step on their throat and don't let off. Where was Barden ? Did he play? I was out of town so had to TiVo. The fact that the other two backs are ripping off bigger chunks of yardage with no carries would say they are more effective. My comment wasn't a be-all-end-all summation of Eli and his 9 seasons as a giant, no, it was an individual's observation that i am entitled to and think if Eli was running the offense even 25% of the time not merely audibling at the line this team would be unreal. I wasn't knocking Eli's success or anything. I just think he's got more skill than we've seen.
                          Well...I thought I was more agreeing than not, but just to set the record straight...I do believe that Eli has choices, but those choices may be between a run or a pass play. However, the plays he has to select from may be coming from KG...which would support what you are saying.

                          Just to be sure, I have often wondered the same thing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                            Well...I thought I was more agreeing than not, but just to set the record straight...I do believe that Eli has choices, but those choices may be between a run or a pass play. However, the plays he has to select from may be coming from KG...which would support what you are saying.

                            Just to be sure, I have often wondered the same thing.
                            Thanks. It's nice to be able to post and have one guy not make you feel like you've been gang raped in Rykers.
                            Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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                            • #15
                              This is sad, all these knee jerk reactions on this board, we are 6 AND 2 BY THE WAY, not 2 AND 6.

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