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  • Why Mark Herlzlich might not have played as bad as it seems.

    I'll set the tone for you.. I'm playing semi-pro football for a scrub team in western mass...

    I'm playing CB in a cover 2 defense...

    I pressed the WR to the outside and released him about 2-3 yards from the sideline... I drifted underneath him for about 5 yards not committing passed 10 yards from the line of scrimmage... then I saw it entered an all out sprint... the quarterback threw a 20 yard pass to him and I got there just in top to make a stop as he caught the ball at the 5.

    I thought to myself... damn I stopped a touchdown, I'm a hero... my teammates on the sideline who didn't know the call was cover 2... are screaming for my head, and that I was jogging underneath and should be benched.

    To put it in perspective, I doubt sincerely that Herzlich was supposed to be in some of the positions he was in after watching the game again. Namely in a couple of his pass coverages where he looks flat out beaten, could actually be a great recognition play... There was 4-5 times where he did have to go into coverage where he doesn't look to be struggling covering people.

    I'm not saying he's an all star, just saying, some of those plays were bad... but some of them, might not have been as bad as first look.

  • #2
    an interesting point and intelligently put .......i thought that Herzlich had a mediocre game .......but not an awful game ......considering that our DT's were owned all night long by the Steelers ...our inability to stop the run was not all the fault of our Mlb
    Winter Is Coming .... Go Giants !

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    • #3
      While I won't condemn Herzlich, one thing I did notice about alot of his plays were that even when he was in position he wasn't the one who initiated contact. He usually swooped in after someone else made the tackle and pretty much "two hand touched" the already downed player. I'm not going to say he is afraid of contact but he looked hesitant. Maybe he had alot going on with leading the defense.

      I like the guy. Besides a feel good story, the guy was a top linebacker in college and a Boston College guy that we know TC loves. I think the potential is there but I don't know what is wrong.

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      • #4
        Are you kidding me?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NYGBandit View Post
          I'll set the tone for you.. I'm playing semi-pro football for a scrub team in western mass...

          I'm playing CB in a cover 2 defense...

          I pressed the WR to the outside and released him about 2-3 yards from the sideline... I drifted underneath him for about 5 yards not committing passed 10 yards from the line of scrimmage... then I saw it entered an all out sprint... the quarterback threw a 20 yard pass to him and I got there just in top to make a stop as he caught the ball at the 5.

          I thought to myself... damn I stopped a touchdown, I'm a hero... my teammates on the sideline who didn't know the call was cover 2... are screaming for my head, and that I was jogging underneath and should be benched.

          To put it in perspective, I doubt sincerely that Herzlich was supposed to be in some of the positions he was in after watching the game again. Namely in a couple of his pass coverages where he looks flat out beaten, could actually be a great recognition play... There was 4-5 times where he did have to go into coverage where he doesn't look to be struggling covering people.

          I'm not saying he's an all star, just saying, some of those plays were bad... but some of them, might not have been as bad as first look.
          cool story.

          herlzlich played bad
          Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

          ~Big Mike~

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
            Are you kidding me?
            Jack ......yesterday you were advocating that the Giants moved JPP to Middle Linebacker .......................are you kidding me ! ?
            Winter Is Coming .... Go Giants !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NYGBandit View Post
              I'll set the tone for you.. I'm playing semi-pro football for a scrub team in western mass...

              I'm playing CB in a cover 2 defense...

              I pressed the WR to the outside and released him about 2-3 yards from the sideline... I drifted underneath him for about 5 yards not committing passed 10 yards from the line of scrimmage... then I saw it entered an all out sprint... the quarterback threw a 20 yard pass to him and I got there just in top to make a stop as he caught the ball at the 5.

              I thought to myself... damn I stopped a touchdown, I'm a hero... my teammates on the sideline who didn't know the call was cover 2... are screaming for my head, and that I was jogging underneath and should be benched.

              To put it in perspective, I doubt sincerely that Herzlich was supposed to be in some of the positions he was in after watching the game again. Namely in a couple of his pass coverages where he looks flat out beaten, could actually be a great recognition play... There was 4-5 times where he did have to go into coverage where he doesn't look to be struggling covering people.

              I'm not saying he's an all star, just saying, some of those plays were bad... but some of them, might not have been as bad as first look.

              Lets face it....we haven't had a good run stopping D lineman since Strahan retired!
              "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

              John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                cool story.

                herlzlich played bad
                +199
                Reese, gone. Check! Bench McAdoo Doo, gone. Check! Let's Giants 2018.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                  cool story.

                  herlzlich played bad
                  hahahahahah

                  Stand with Cruz!
                  80

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                  • #10
                    Yes, yes it was. His pass coverage was awful. This wasn't about herzlich perhaps having multiple assignments to worry about. It was about how you could see which man he had, and just being late to react to their moves.

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                    • #11
                      He didn't play nearly as bad as some would have you believe. He did not play well though. Like Chase, he was not able to get off a lot of blocks and make stops that were for minimal gains.

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                      • #12
                        Nah, Herz just isn't a MLB in the NFL right now. Maybe one day he will get better, but right now, he is a STer. He missed tackles, hasn't found the ball well, and can not cover. Chase is better then him in all 3 of those aspects. CHASE BLACKBURN.
                        Life is like a Giants game, you never know what you are going to get.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                          cool story.

                          herlzlich played bad
                          +200
                          "Release the Kraken!"

                          - Dan Dierdorf, Giants vs Dolphins, 10/30/2011

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                          • #14
                            Even if your story did relate to Herzlich's play, which I do not think it does, it still doesnt excuse his absolutely horrendous play vs the run.

                            I think when most people here criticize him for his play last weekend it is because the Steelers went RIGHT AT him in the run game and they did it will massive success.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                              Are you kidding me?
                              +1
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                              FUTURE NY GIANTS PLAYER

                              2015 season tbd

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