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    ....I really have no idea.
    There are a lot of "Eli is to blame" threads. A lot of "Diehl is to blame threads". A lot of "fire Fewell, KG, TC" threads.
    The reallity is that no one can say why we are playing so poorly. And this didn't start last week. This started against Washington and continued through Dallas. They just kept shooting themselves in the foot and we lucked ourselves into a couple of wins.
    The interesting thing here is that we can't blame injuries. this may be the healthiest we've been since 2000.
    Yes Eli is horrible right now. But is he any worse than anyone else? Not really. The offense is somewhat worse than the defense, but every phase of the game stinks for us.

    Ultimately we have to ask if the core players we've had need to be assessed. Can Webby cover anymore? Can Tuck really play at the level we need him to? And we all know Osi is gone.
    So my question is..Do we look to do some patchwork or is our team in this last 4 weeks showing that wholesale changes are needed?

    I honestly don't know.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • #3
      This BYE came at the right time...recharge, regroup and refocus.

      aka

      Time to remove heads from *** es and play some football.


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      • #4
        this is either planned or a complete lack of focus and preparation. Long season, we will go 6-6 and then we must get hot.

        I'm ready for 6-6 even if we get blown out by the pack and skins. I'm mentally preparing and I suggest you all do the same.

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        • #5
          6-6 and then BOOM. win 3/4 win the division and take this show to the NFC North. HERE WE GO GIANTS, I understand your crazy plans now TC!!!

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          • #6
            LOL remember some years ago, everyone here wanted Spagnuolo to beat the **** outta Gilbride ?

            I wonder if Fewell's beginning to harbor some violent thoughts?


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            • #7
              Originally posted by giantyankee1976 View Post
              LOL remember some years ago, everyone here wanted Spagnuolo to beat the **** outta Gilbride ?

              I wonder if Fewell's beginning to harbor some violent thoughts?
              Perry looks like he can probably throw one. That shot aint going to slide off the cheekbone like that Buddy Ryan haymaker. PF is all about the deception and the sneaky pick, look for him to feint the jab and come across with the hard right cross when Gilbride tries to pull that quick dodge like he did before.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by giantyankee1976 View Post
                LOL remember some years ago, everyone here wanted Spagnuolo to beat the **** outta Gilbride ?

                I wonder if Fewell's beginning to harbor some violent thoughts?
                why?....the defense sucks too.....
                "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  ....I really have no idea.
                  There are a lot of "Eli is to blame" threads. A lot of "Diehl is to blame threads". A lot of "fire Fewell, KG, TC" threads.
                  The reallity is that no one can say why we are playing so poorly. And this didn't start last week. This started against Washington and continued through Dallas. They just kept shooting themselves in the foot and we lucked ourselves into a couple of wins.
                  The interesting thing here is that we can't blame injuries. this may be the healthiest we've been since 2000.
                  Yes Eli is horrible right now. But is he any worse than anyone else? Not really. The offense is somewhat worse than the defense, but every phase of the game stinks for us.

                  Ultimately we have to ask if the core players we've had need to be assessed. Can Webby cover anymore? Can Tuck really play at the level we need him to? And we all know Osi is gone.
                  So my question is..Do we look to do some patchwork or is our team in this last 4 weeks showing that wholesale changes are needed?

                  I honestly don't know.
                  Eli: He's been off but not amazingly so. We got used to him being so magical that anything less than that looks horrendous by comparison.

                  CWeb: Having a really bad year. We've seen this up and down from him before. I can't say whether this is the end for him or not but my feeling is that the coaching staff (and some of the players) will challenge him and he'll respond. Hopefully that happens before the year is up.

                  Oline: In general I think we all realize that the current oline is one in flux. Locklear isn't a long term option, DD is done, Boothe is great value but not a blue chipper and most aren't sold on Beatty still and he's probably been our best this year. Baas is marginally better than last year but not by a lot (certainly not for what we're paying him).

                  Dline: Osi is done (I think we can all agree on that), Tuck is done (my personal opinion) ... his heart just isn't in it anymore, Kiwi needs to be moved back to the dline and hopefully Marvin Austin can come into the 2013 season in game shape (otherwise I think he'll end up being a bust).

                  LBers: No matter how important dline and secondary might be to a defense, I think we're all seeing why LBers are still a necessary evil ... not all teams have gunslinger QBs and our run defense (especially the middle) is SOFT.

                  I'm still not crazy about Fewell's schemes but I won't add to the "fire so and so" threads.

                  I do wish we'd go dink and dunk a bit more .... we seem to either throw/run very short or attempt fairly long. Considering our personnel, we should be eating up the middle of the field.
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                    Eli: He's been off but not amazingly so. We got used to him being so magical that anything less than that looks horrendous by comparison.CWeb: Having a really bad year. We've seen this up and down from him before. I can't say whether this is the end for him or not but my feeling is that the coaching staff (and some of the players) will challenge him and he'll respond. Hopefully that happens before the year is up.Oline: In general I think we all realize that the current oline is one in flux. Locklear isn't a long term option, DD is done, Boothe is great value but not a blue chipper and most aren't sold on Beatty still and he's probably been our best this year. Baas is marginally better than last year but not by a lot (certainly not for what we're paying him).Dline: Osi is done (I think we can all agree on that), Tuck is done (my personal opinion) ... his heart just isn't in it anymore, Kiwi needs to be moved back to the dline and hopefully Marvin Austin can come into the 2013 season in game shape (otherwise I think he'll end up being a bust). LBers: No matter how important dline and secondary might be to a defense, I think we're all seeing why LBers are still a necessary evil ... not all teams have gunslinger QBs and our run defense (especially the middle) is SOFT.I'm still not crazy about Fewell's schemes but I won't add to the "fire so and so" threads.I do wish we'd go dink and dunk a bit more .... we seem to either throw/run very short or attempt fairly long. Considering our personnel, we should be eating up the middle of the field.
                    I said the very same thing (your last paragraph) Eli needs to stop holding on too the ball waiting for guys to grt open to try and make a 40 yard play. Get the quick 10 yards.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ManningToJPP View Post
                      this is either planned or a complete lack of focus and preparation. Long season, we will go 6-6 and then we must get hot.

                      I'm ready for 6-6 even if we get blown out by the pack and skins. I'm mentally preparing and I suggest you all do the same.
                      I'm ready for 6-10........if we turn it around I will be pleasently suprised
                      Suprise me Tom

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        ....I really have no idea.
                        There are a lot of "Eli is to blame" threads. A lot of "Diehl is to blame threads". A lot of "fire Fewell, KG, TC" threads.
                        The reallity is that no one can say why we are playing so poorly. And this didn't start last week. This started against Washington and continued through Dallas. They just kept shooting themselves in the foot and we lucked ourselves into a couple of wins.
                        The interesting thing here is that we can't blame injuries. this may be the healthiest we've been since 2000.
                        Yes Eli is horrible right now. But is he any worse than anyone else? Not really. The offense is somewhat worse than the defense, but every phase of the game stinks for us.

                        Ultimately we have to ask if the core players we've had need to be assessed. Can Webby cover anymore? Can Tuck really play at the level we need him to? And we all know Osi is gone.
                        So my question is..Do we look to do some patchwork or is our team in this last 4 weeks showing that wholesale changes are needed?

                        I honestly don't know.
                        It's pretty obvious to me.
                        Think about it, even the games we won, we won for the most part by typically giving up massive chunks of yardage in exchange for the occasional Int/fumble recovery and relying on Eli to bail us out in the 4th quarter and not turn the ball over.
                        Now with Eli playing poorly (especially late) and not being comfortably on the + side of the turnover battle anymore it should be no surprise that we're losing now.

                        We've been playing russian roulette all season, and eventually you are going to chamber a live round.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by njg85m View Post
                          It's pretty obvious to me.
                          Think about it, even the games we won, we won for the most part by typically giving up massive chunks of yardage in exchange for the occasional Int/fumble recovery and relying on Eli to bail us out in the 4th quarter and not turn the ball over.
                          Now with Eli playing poorly (especially late) and not being comfortably on the + side of the turnover battle anymore it should be no surprise that we're losing now.

                          We've been playing russian roulette all season, and eventually you are going to chamber a live round.
                          Yes but why? Thats my question. Why are we so bad right now? Its not injuries like last year (or at least contributed last year) We are healthy.
                          My concern is that our core players are getting past their prime and we may be falling fast without seeing it. (The proverbial frog in the boiling water scenario).
                          I know we are constantly trying to get better. But are we assuming that certain players are untouchable. I am especially concerned about the decision to replace Locklear with Diehl. By itself its may just be a miscalculation, but is that decision a symptom of a stubborness that TC is famous for.
                          And another thing...Does the coaching staff actually know that David Wilson is on the team? Are we so locked into the loyalty to vets like Bradshaw that we can't bring young players into the mix for God's sake?

                          Just not sure where this team is right now. Is it a blip? Or is it the beginning of a decline with these players?
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by giantyankee1976 View Post
                            This BYE came at the right time...recharge, regroup and refocus.

                            aka

                            Time to remove heads from *** es and play some football.
                            If you ask me the Bye came about two weeks too late!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              Yes but why? Thats my question. Why are we so bad right now? Its not injuries like last year (or at least contributed last year) We are healthy.
                              My concern is that our core players are getting past their prime and we may be falling fast without seeing it. (The proverbial frog in the boiling water scenario).
                              I know we are constantly trying to get better. But are we assuming that certain players are untouchable. I am especially concerned about the decision to replace Locklear with Diehl. By itself its may just be a miscalculation, but is that decision a symptom of a stubborness that TC is famous for.
                              And another thing...Does the coaching staff actually know that David Wilson is on the team? Are we so locked into the loyalty to vets like Bradshaw that we can't bring young players into the mix for God's sake?

                              Just not sure where this team is right now. Is it a blip? Or is it the beginning of a decline with these players?
                              It goes back to the coaching philosophy. I watched a press conference with him yesterday and he stated "Once I have a plan I stick with it no matter what". That says A LOT. I'm sure he's thinking about changing some things and some players around, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Diehl starts and Bradshaw starts. That's just how he runs things.
                              Mood: WOOF!

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