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  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    The simple truth, whether we're talking about Eli or anyone else, is that the jury is out until the whole body of work can be examined and compared to whoever else played in relatively the same time span.

    We needed two weeks of filler and this was a great start.
    Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, and Brees are still playing, and they're considered elite QB's by most people today. The whole body of work isn't complete, but it's quite obvious that they are, in fact, elite QB's. I dont disagree with you, RF, but I'm pointing out a hole in your logic.
    The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd - Bertrand Russell

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    • Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
      Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, and Brees are still playing, and they're considered elite QB's by most people today. The whole body of work isn't complete, but it's quite obvious that they are, in fact, elite QB's. I dont disagree with you, RF, but I'm pointing out a hole in your logic.
      In support of RF's logic, Phillip Rivers WAS on that elite list for a period of time also. Now you don't hear his name anymore.

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      • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
        Phil Simms was a great Giants quarterback but why, why say this??? I know he gets paid for his opinion but does this mean Romo is an elite qb cause he makes unbelievable plays?? Eli has made unbelievable plays too. 2 That come to mind is sb 42 and sb 46. Man what does this guy have to do to get some respect??
        He mad because he will never get an opportunity to make to the hall of fame. lol.
        Reese, gone. Check! Bench McAdoo Doo, gone. Check! Let's Giants 2018.

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        • Originally posted by nycisgreat View Post
          He mad because he will never get an opportunity to make to the hall of fame. lol.
          If he buys a ticket!
          Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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          • Originally posted by DVision View Post
            Tells me he was the QB of some VERY talented teams! Having Joe Morris running for 100+ a game, a HOF worthy tight end, and a stifling defense helps any QB!
            So had do you explain The Captain's jersey not be retired who BTW is a HOF'er?

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            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
              if Warner and Simms feel the same, who are we to judge. some of you work in a cubicle at enterprise car rental or subway for heaven sakes. These guys know what it isall about the position in and out and know what a HOF elite player is.
              You cannot argue with logic.

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              • Originally posted by bigjeep View Post
                If he buys a ticket!

                You certainly don't act your age do you?

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                • Originally posted by Martyr View Post
                  **** Phil Simms, the Giants won a super bowl with a backup Qb when he got hurt
                  News alert: Hoss was a starter in this league for a long time.

                  Besides, Eli played like a back-up most of 2007, so what does that prove?

                  The sensitivity surrounding Eli is comical. Saying he's not elite doesn't in any way mean he's saying he's trash.

                  Phil is a borderline HOF'er but probably wont get in. There's nothing shameful in that.

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                  • Originally posted by SLUNK(three)AM View Post
                    I don't think there's much to debate about. Eli's in a slump. It happens to the best of players. If people thought Eli became a lesser QB because of this hiccup he's having, then I'd respectfully disagree. Eli's still the man - and it would be dangerous for anybody in the NFL to underestimate him. He possesses all the tools he needs to win, and he has consistently shown us that over his career. Maybe he is a little more prone to bouts of being off his game than other players - but that's just part of the game.

                    Lets take our losses like men, enjoy the victories as they come, and appreciate one of the most interesting eras of Giants football.
                    Well said.

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                    • lol Phil Simms probably also got to watch some of the Bengals game too and got upset like the rest of us. He was just praising Eli during the Steelers game last week.

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                      • Oh, this thread...

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                        • Originally posted by dillyyo1972 View Post
                          This is true, but Phil seems to be carrying a chip on his shoulders about various Giants players. He's made derisive comments about some over the years, but that's always been Phil. It shows on Inside The NFL with him and Chris and it shows the way he announces games. Somewhat Joe Theisman like, if you ask me.
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                          Are you talking about guys busting each other's stones? Please. Phil speaks positively about the majority of NFL players. At least when I hear him.

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                          • Originally posted by tcseacliff View Post
                            Simms does not care for the giants. Eli included. you hear it in his voice when he calls the games. the name Simms and Elite never show up in the same sentence . Elite is not always the numbers. Eli has a presence as an elite QB and many times does play like and elite QB. Simms could only wish to have that! F Simms!
                            This should go down as post of the week. Do we have that?

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                            • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                              If you take Eli Manning and put him in the system that Phil Simms was in, Eli would have dominated that era. The system Phil Simms was in was painless and seamless. Eli would have thrived with that O line and run game. Heck, if Eli Manning were the QB back then, Mark Bavarro may have put up Gronkowski numbers. Our O line and run game was so great that when Hoss, a guy that ran a 4.28 40 took over, he rarely had to run.

                              I think Phil Simms would have had issues with this system under Gillbride. I am not saying that he would not have gotten it but it would have taken him longer than Eli. Heck, it took Phil awhile to get the system he was in down and that one was simple as it gets.

                              I am not spewing angst at Phil but in my opinion, Eli is a better QB.

                              Way too much stuff I disagree with in this thread to respond at length.

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                              • Originally posted by ny06 View Post
                                How quickly we forget many horrid games by our own Phil Simms.
                                Of course we forget. We're old and we killed off a few brain cells during the years. But what does that have to do with his comments?

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