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  • Originally posted by NYGFaninILL View Post
    So now we're going to crap all over one of the most Respected QB's in Giants History because he voiced his opinion on our currently bi-polar Quarterback? Phil Simms is a lifelong Giant.
    Then why doesn't he freaking act like a lifelong GIANT and support his team? Strahan has no problem supporting his team. It would be one thing if Simms said "We know you have elite talent somewhere in there Eli. We've seen you do it before, so start actually playing like it already!". But he's not. He's ripping on a current member of the team. It would be like if Bucky Dent went out to the media and said "Jeter is nothing special" after the season the latter had in 2012...

    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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    • I said it when the "Elite" debate first began last year...... and I will say it again now...... Who is, and who is not Elite is all subjective and I honestly hate the term..... Some jackwagon came up with it just to have something to talk about on TV and now all the fans around the NFL are throwing it around like it has some concrete defined meaning.

      As for Eli, or whoever comes after Eli..... Just keep racking up the hardware and forget about that stupid word "Elite".

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      • I will add one more thing..... Sometimes I think players like Phil or Mike intentionally poke our players in the eye when they are under performing.... not so much to insult them, but more to motivate them to snap out of it and play better.

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        • Are the Giants elite? Is their offensive line elite? Is their defense elite? The Saints are 4-5. If Drew Brees is elite, why aren't they 9-0. An elite QB should be able to carry his team when the rest of the team is struggling, right? Oh...he doesn't have his real coach. So, he's not elite. He should be able to carry his team if he is elite, even if Yogi Berra was his head coach.

          I know this is all ridiculous...but it is no more ridiculous than people needing to establish whether Eli is elite or not. I say that it really doesn't matter to me whether he is elite or not. If someone asked me to answer the question, however...I would say yes. He is at this moment elite, and I only say that based on his amount of endorsements compared to the rest of the guys in the league. Only the elite get to represent people like DTV, Citizens, etc. and appear on national commercials with the president.

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          • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
            If Drew Brees is elite, why aren't they 9-0. An elite QB should be able to carry his """OFFENSE""" when the rest of the team is struggling, right?.
            Fixed it for you. And yes.
            Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

            ~Big Mike~

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            • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
              Fixed it for you. And yes.
              So you think that all of our offensive problems would go away if Drew was QB for the Giants? I am just curious. Would we be 10-0 with Brees?

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              • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                So you think that all of our offensive problems would go away if Drew was QB for the Giants? I am just curious. Would we be 10-0 with Brees?
                no because eli is not the only reason why we are losing. same way brees is not the sole reason the saints were losing. Eli needs to play better and he knows that but there are a lot of other problems such as bad play calls dropped passes, bad blocking, blown coverage's etc.

                As far as eli being elite, in my heart i would say No because he is not consistent year to year. He is a top 5 Qb and he is a great one at that. The only problem is you dont know which eli you will get each year. Turnover machine Eli or Elite (last year) Eli.

                I would describe Eli as a champion and a Winner. Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers are all better QBs but Eli has more rings than them. Elite is not everything.
                Last edited by Marvelousmik; 11-14-2012, 10:06 AM.
                Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                ~Big Mike~

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                • We can call anybody anything we want. Its just words.
                  But great QB's can't be making the kind of dumb plays Eli has been making. Our QB can't be making those plays if we want to win games. And ultimately we need to win games. Thats really all that matters. Some of you guys who need to put labels on guys miss the point completely.
                  Stop playing like **** Eli!!!
                  Drives me friggin nuts and it has to stop.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Who cares what Phil Sims thinks
                    ??? Does anyone think Eli cares? My guess is no. He is not the type that gives a rip about what anyone thinks of him. That's one of many reasons why I like him so much

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      We can call anybody anything we want. Its just words.
                      But great QB's can't be making the kind of dumb plays Eli has been making. Our QB can't be making those plays if we want to win games. And ultimately we need to win games. Thats really all that matters. Some of you guys who need to put labels on guys miss the point completely.
                      Stop playing like **** Eli!!!
                      Drives me friggin nuts and it has to stop.
                      I agree. I am actually okay with occasional mistakes because no one is perfect. But you cant gift wrap footballs and hand it to defenders the way eli has these past few games. That is just awful
                      Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                      ~Big Mike~

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                      • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                        I agree. I am actually okay with occasional mistakes because no one is perfect. But you cant gift wrap footballs and hand it to defenders the way eli has these past few games. That is just awful
                        Every QB makes mistakes. Every QB throws picks. But in today's NFL with the rules giving the passing game so many advantages, those picks should be kept at a minimum.
                        But those panicked throws in the midst of a pass rush have returned with a vengeance. That old, bad Eli has reared his ugly head. I really thought we were done with him. He had really started to show great pocket awareness and calmness. Now we're back to this.

                        I can't tell you how frustrating it is.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          Every QB makes mistakes. Every QB throws picks. But in today's NFL with the rules giving the passing game so many advantages, those picks should be kept at a minimum.
                          But those panicked throws in the midst of a pass rush have returned with a vengeance. That old, bad Eli has reared his ugly head. I really thought we were done with him. He had really started to show great pocket awareness and calmness. Now we're back to this.

                          I can't tell you how frustrating it is.
                          I agree about the pocket awareness thing....its like WTF already. How can a guy who shows exceptional pocket awareness at times break down so horribly at aother times...
                          Trying to make somehting happen and just being stupid is two different things...
                          Come On Eli......we need the "Good Eli" back.....
                          "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                          You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                          • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                            I agree. I am actually okay with occasional mistakes because no one is perfect. But you cant gift wrap footballs and hand it to defenders the way eli has these past few games. That is just awful
                            Eli has had periods of "awful" it's just the way it is. He's our QB and we want to win games. If we are going to win any more games, Eli has to play better and so does everyone else.
                            Last edited by RoanokeFan; 11-14-2012, 10:40 AM.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • [QUOTE=RoanokeFan;580731]
                              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                              I agree. I am actually okay with occasional mistakes because no one is perfect. But you cant gift wrap footballs and hand it to defenders the way eli has these past few games. That is just awful[/QUOTE

                              ] Eli has had periods of "awful" it's just the way it us. He's our QB and we want to win games. If we are going to win any more games, Eli has to play better and so does everyone else.
                              Yes, all will be forgiven once Eli starts playing great. That's what happens with people in the board!

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                              • Eli's a top NFL QB and tremendous in the clutch. However, thru the course of a season, Brady, Payton, Rodgers and Brees are clearly better. If I needed to pick a QB to win one game or to drive down the field for one series, i'll go with ELI (100%). If I needed to pick a QB to win 10 games in a season, I'm picking at least these guys maybe a few more (Ryan, Ben, ECT)...Eli's never been as consistent as those guys.

                                I dont think this has anything to do with making the HOF (although I think ELI has a good chance) or if Sims was elite. Those are mutually exclusive questions.

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