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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    he said again last week too....
    Oh, I missed that.

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  • jomo
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    ...........as I said about 40 pages ago, this thread has some amazing legs given the fact that it is more or less a retread topic.
    Go Blue!!

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  • GameTime
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    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Rodney Harrison in the beginning of the year said Eli Manning was the best quarterback.
    he said again last week too....

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  • Dline83
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    Originally posted by Dline83 View Post
    Bree's has had a few games just in this season where he has made bad throws, and bad decisions. He made a throw to the rb that was a bullet and was dropped and he was way shot of an open wr when he had a clean pocket to throw from. I've made multiple posts pointing this out...

    Before the game Rodney Harrison said he thought Eli was the best qb in the game. Tom Coughlin has said Eli is elite, and almost every player when asked about Manning says complimentary things.

    I just don't understand some of the things you state. Why do you view Eli as the lowest pure passer of the greats in the last 30 years, once again it seems like your making kind of a reach there, and either way he is still playing, what would you have said about Simms after 8 seasons?
    Phil Simms has said the Eli and Coughlin are destined for the HOF.

    On the final drive in the Super Bowl Manning was 6 of 7 for 74 yards, pretty big game and pretty accurate passing.

    Simms is also the guy that said Luck would not be able to make big NFL type throws and said he would quit if Mallet wasn't taken in the first round...he went in the 3rd...

    Dan Fouts said after Simms comments that "you can't spell elite without Eli", this is a quote for him:

    “You can’t spell elite without Eli,” Fouts said. “The pressure situations that Eli has thrived in over his short career, in my mind, make him an elite quarterback, because that is when you’re judged. How well do you do when the pressure is on, when you’ve got to win the game?

    “And all you have to do is look back at his two Super Bowl wins and the way he beat the Patriots. I have to give him a nod and say Eli is elite.”

    Simms had also called other qb not elite, like Marino...he is making me confused....

    “‘Elite,' it's a new word in the football vocabulary. It really is,” he continued. “It's this new thing. I don't remember hearing it 25-30 years ago. With the way it's talked about now, Dan Marino was not elite, Warren Moon was never elite, Dan Fouts was not elite. Even though they went to the Hall of Fame, they're not elite.

    Apparently I'm not the only one confused...from USA today:

    "So, by that logic, is Manning still a Hall of Famer in Simms' mind?

    Seriously, Phil Simms, what are you even saying?"

    Here is a comment from Aikman:

    "It's easy to say, 'Yeah he won, but ...'" former Dallas quarterback Troy Aikman, who has three titles, said. "When you win a second Super Bowl or multiple Super Bowls, it eliminates a lot of those buts. It puts you in the conversation of the all-time greats and in the conversation for the Hall of Fame."

    Not unbiased, but this is from Diehl:

    "He's evolved into an unbelievable player," Diehl said. "His knowledge and grasp of the offense, the way he handles things, that's just from a football standpoint, let alone his leadership."

    Diehl told a story about how, early in Manning's career, people outside of the Giants' organization would get flustered at Manning's unflappable, even emotionless, demeanor. He was one direction -- down the middle -- whether the Giants won or they lost, whether he played well or like a dog.

    "People said, 'Oh he's so calm under pressure,' then something doesn't go right and he's the same way, and it's, 'Oh my God, how come he doesn't show emotion?'" Diehl said.

    "It's just been unbelievable to see the way he's improved, the grasp of the offense, the audibles, the sacks, the recognition of blitzes, but most importantly the leadership," Diehl added. "He's stepped up tremendously for this football team and our offense. When the game is on the line, he wants the ball in his hands. It's just been awesome."

    Jacoby Jones said:

    "Number one? Best player in the NFL?" Jones said. "You know what, I'm going to give hats off to Eli Manning."

    Michael,Boley:

    Giants linebacker Michael Boley: "We have the best quarterback in the league. It's never over."

    Josh Wilson:

    "Right now, (Manning) is (the best late-game quarterback in the league)," Redskins cornerback Josh Wilson said. "He won this one."

    Davon House:

    "That's what kind of separates a good secondary and a great secondary," second-year cornerback Davon House said. "How do you play against the best guys in the league?"

    Rob Ryan:

    “He does a great job. He’s got an unbelievable touch. He will stand in there in the face of a damn hurricane and throw the ball. He’s really tough. We’re looking forward to this challenge. We’ve played some great quarterbacks during the year and this guy is no exception. He’s really playing well. He’s in that elite group for sure.”

    I would say that's a pretty good sampling...

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  • chasjay
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    When I think of any football player, be it QB or some other position, the word "elite" never comes to my mind. That includes Eli. To me, Eli is the very successful QB for the NFL team I've rooted for my whole life - and my "home boy" to boot. But I always seem to react when someone tries to state as fact that he is not elite. I would never start a conversation or thread to convince anyone that Eli is an "elite" QB, but I do argue the case that there is no solid ground for saying that he isn't.

    Not that anyone, except me, is interested in all that.

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  • Dline83
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.



    I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.




    I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?



    You could never put me down son.




    Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.




    I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
    Bree's has had a few games just in this season where he has made bad throws, and bad decisions. He made a throw to the rb that was a bullet and was dropped and he was way shot of an open wr when he had a clean pocket to throw from. I've made multiple posts pointing this out...

    Before the game Rodney Harrison said he thought Eli was the best qb in the game. Tom Coughlin has said Eli is elite, and almost every player when asked about Manning says complimentary things.

    I just don't understand some of the things you state. Why do you view Eli as the lowest pure passer of the greats in the last 30 years, once again it seems like your making kind of a reach there, and either way he is still playing, what would you have said about Simms after 8 seasons?

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  • Rat_bastich
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    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Rodney Harrison in the beginning of the year said Eli Manning was the best quarterback.
    I saw an interview with him the other day and he still said the same thing. Pretty high praise from a defensive back.

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  • BuffyBlueII
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    It is amazing how some folks just wait in the wings for Eli to have some bad games so they can run out and point fingers. It is even more amazing that these folks are NY Giants fans. Sure Eli Manning is off and is still not fully out of his slump yet but we are 7-4 and he has thrown for almost 3,000 yards. He is almost out of his slump and will soon light it up. Count on it.I find it even more amazing that people question Eli's toughness. The guy has never missed a game and can take a beating and still excel better than any other QB in football. Folks need to pay attention and appreciate that Eli Manning is our QB.

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  • Giant stuck in Texas
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    I wish this thread would just die already.....

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  • ashleymarie
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    Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
    It is amazing that a 2 time SuperBowl MVP that has numerous NY Giant as well as NFL passing records and is without a doubt The Greatest QB in NY Giants history is continually called average to below average and put down by members of his teams fanbase.

    For shame.

    For shame.

    Years from now when Eli Manning retires and is no longer a NY Giant, you folks will be missing him terribly. Count on it.
    I agree. Eli is sometimes treated on the board here as if he is a red-headed step cousin. I say enjoy his success because his success is our success. I am grateful we have a qb who can get the job done. No offense to anyone.
    Last edited by ashleymarie; 12-01-2012, 02:32 AM. Reason: sic

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  • BuffyBlueII
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    It is amazing that a 2 time SuperBowl MVP that has numerous NY Giant as well as NFL passing records and is without a doubt The Greatest QB in NY Giants history is continually called average to below average and put down by members of his teams fanbase.

    For shame.

    For shame.

    Years from now when Eli Manning retires and is no longer a NY Giant, you folks will be missing him terribly. Count on it.
    Last edited by BuffyBlueII; 12-01-2012, 02:13 AM.

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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?You could never put me down son.Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
    Rodney Harrison in the beginning of the year said Eli Manning was the best quarterback.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    ur incapable of just talking football. alright then. just wondered why you stated several times eli is not and will not be a great passer...whatever that means lmao.

    lmao. thanks 4 ur response to the hyno and bradshaw passes....you disingenuous *****. It's been fun.
    Last edited by Roosevelt; 12-01-2012, 01:54 AM.

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  • giantsfan420
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.



    I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.




    I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?



    You could never put me down son.




    Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.




    I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
    ur incapable of just talking football. alright then. just wondered why you stated several times eli is not and will not be a great passer...whatever that means lmao.

    edit- and just fyi, this last week leading to the gb game, aj hawk was on nfl network talking about how eli has mastered the qb position and can carve them up. tc and kg obviously. id prob say every coach whose played against eli feel he has mastery of the qb position.
    and so again, ur def of not being great is a misthrow? like eli misthrew hyno? ok. well then there are no great qbs. i dont know how much of other qbs u actually do watch, but i think ud be surprised with just how many bad passes are thrown from every qb in the league by ur reaction to some of elis misthrows. didnt brady overthrow everyone by 30 yds in the sb for a safety? is he not great bc of that misthrow?
    Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-01-2012, 01:51 AM.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by Harooni View Post

    We need to stop this back and forth and just be happy Eli got it. because 5-6 years ago i was pretty worried he was a doof.
    Eli's no doof. We have only one doof, and he's on this message board.

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