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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    I agree not to compare them......except to say that Phil was better.
    LMAO
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
      I agree.....if Eli's not elite, then maybe we shouldn't use that term for anything, because I have no ****ing clue what it means.
      I never even heard it in reference to QB's until Eli answered the question last year. Now it's a game to see who will be tabbed the next 'elite' NFL QB, and what did he do to merit the label... while all QB's of the past are evaluated, post career, as to their 'eliteness', or not.
      Everyone mocked Eli for thinking he was elite. Then, after he won his 2nd SB, everyone was tripping all over themselves getting on the "Eli is Elite" bandwagon.
      Now, after his last 4 games, some of the rats are abandoning ship...lol. Humans... the only thing consistent about us is our inconsistency

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      • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
        I never even heard it in reference to QB's until Eli answered the question last year. Now it's a game to see who will be tabbed the next 'elite' NFL QB, and what did he do to merit the label... while all QB's of the past are evaluated, post career, as to their 'eliteness', or not.
        Everyone mocked Eli for thinking he was elite. Then, after he won his 2nd SB, everyone was tripping all over themselves getting on the "Eli is Elite" bandwagon.
        Now, after his last 4 games, some of the rats are abandoning ship...lol. Humans... the only thing consistent about us is our inconsistency
        post of the year

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        • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
          I agree.....if Eli's not elite, then maybe we shouldn't use that term for anything, because I have no ****ing clue what it means.
          Its just a stupid tag created by the media and fans. Honestly, thats all it is. Completely and utterly meaningless, but it still sends people into towering rages and leaves them foaming at the mouth while lying in the fetal position.

          Am I being a little over-dramatic? Yep, but we're approaching page 35 of a thread based on a stupid, meaningless word. A little extra drama is warranted
          The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd - Bertrand Russell

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          • It's Like comparing Oranges to Apples, Phil was Good, but Eli is Better !

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            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
              one thing eli is better at is reading the D and setting up his protection.
              if he could just get it done before the playclock expires.
              i'm starting to wonder if he isn't causing half of the confusion himself.
              due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
              my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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              • Originally posted by bigjeep View Post
                Who was "clutch"? Eli or Simms? No contest! Eli wins hands down. Two come from behind SB wins because our rotten defense can't hold a lead!
                rotten defense ? the defense showing up in the playoffs is what did it.
                they gave up only 14 points to a previously undefeated team that led the league in scoring.
                then along came a helmet "clutch" and then a cornerback stumbled , leaving Plax wide open.
                Eli was a paltry 19 of 34 for 255 yds 2td's and 1 pic. call those MVP stats if you want.....
                compare that to Simms SB MVP stats.
                and don't get me wrong i'll accept that SB42 win
                and proudly take that 'ring' to the pawnshop anyday.....
                but we all know it was stolen jewelry.
                Last edited by stormblue; 11-18-2012, 07:44 AM.
                due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                • Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                  rotten defense ? the defense showing up in the playoffs is what did it.
                  they gave up only 14 points to a previously undefeated team that led the league in scoring.
                  then along came a helmet "clutch" and then a cornerback stumbled , leaving Plax wide open.
                  Eli was a paltry 19 of 34 for 255 yds 2td's and 1 pic. call those MVP stats if you want.....
                  compare that to Simms SB MVP stats.
                  and don't get me wrong i'll accept that SB42 win
                  and proudly take that 'ring' to the pawnshop anyday.....
                  but we all know it was stolen jewelry.
                  Nonsense.
                  We were the better team on that field in SB 42.
                  And the "stumbling CB" came from a great move by Plax that they knew they were vulnerable to from film study and waited until the right time to use it.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                    rotten defense ? the defense showing up in the playoffs is what did it.they gave up only 14 points to a previously undefeated team that led the league in scoring.then along came a helmet "clutch" and then a cornerback stumbled , leaving Plax wide open.Eli was a paltry 19 of 34 for 255 yds 2td's and 1 pic. call those MVP stats if you want.....compare that to Simms SB MVP stats.and don't get me wrong i'll accept that SB42 win and proudly take that 'ring' to the pawnshop anyday.....but we all know it was stolen jewelry.
                    Stolen jewelry for Super Bowl 42 now...... Hey want don't we just say the pats "gave it to us" now?What a luxury you have as a fan to have a throw away Lombardi trophy - ridiculous.

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                    • Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                      Stolen jewelry for Super Bowl 42 now...... Hey want don't we just say the pats "gave it to us" now?What a luxury you have as a fan to have a throw away Lombardi trophy - ridiculous.
                      We had more rushing yards, more passing yards, more time of possession, and oh yeah.....more points. We beat all the best teams in football that yearin our playoff run.
                      We were the deserving champs!
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        We had more rushing yards, more passing yards, more time of possession, and oh yeah.....more points. We beat all the best teams in football that yearin our playoff run.
                        We were the deserving champs!
                        Cheers. Although mine is a coffee mug at this hour.

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                        • Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                          rotten defense ? the defense showing up in the playoffs is what did it.
                          they gave up only 14 points to a previously undefeated team that led the league in scoring.
                          then along came a helmet "clutch" and then a cornerback stumbled , leaving Plax wide open.
                          Eli was a paltry 19 of 34 for 255 yds 2td's and 1 pic. call those MVP stats if you want.....
                          compare that to Simms SB MVP stats.
                          and don't get me wrong i'll accept that SB42 win
                          and proudly take that 'ring' to the pawnshop anyday.....
                          but we all know it was stolen jewelry.
                          If Simms was our QB In SB's 2008 and 2012, we would have lost both games!
                          Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            I agree not to compare them......except to say that Phil was better.
                            Honestly...I was trolling around this thread looking for some humor, but this actually caught my attention.

                            What struck me was two things:

                            1) most of us acknowledge that it is impossible to compare two players from two different eras, especially considering the differences in the game itself.

                            2) rarely does anyone ever make the best "apple to apple" comparison: How did opponents view them?

                            During his SB runs, Simms was not seen as a elite QB at the time (still not by most), but he was damn sure not seen as the player you were going to try to exploit. He was going to play a solid game, and he wasn't going to make any truly boneheaded plays.

                            Conservative, tough, accurate, and generally unflappable. And I don't remember any talk of HoF during his career.

                            Eli's first run could best be described as one in which every team saw him as exploitable. The Bucs flat out said it. The cowboys plan was to pressure Eli, The Pack (and this board) knew he couldn't play well in the cold.

                            Pressure him, and he will fold eventually.

                            Last years run? He achieved a status that Simms never did...if you were an opponent, Eli was the last guy on the field you wanted to have that ball-period.

                            Need a score late in the 4th? Call Eli.
                            Need an amazing series? Call Eli.
                            Game on the line? Call Eli.

                            We get the ball back with 2 minutes in 42, we all were full of hope and doubt.
                            We get the ball back with 2 minutes to go in 46, we all start celebrating. Chis Collinsworth literally said, "here we go again" after the Pats scored, cause it just seemed like you were not going to stop the guy. Brady actually said he wanted the ball last, because he had seen what Eli could do.

                            Simms was far more reliable, played in a tougher time, but there was a period of time when Eli achieved a status that Simms never did...one of the most feared players in the league.

                            And as for his comment? Love the guy and respect his opinion. Really like that he defined it well. Watching Eli now, hard not to agree with him. Elite does not equal erratic.
                            Last edited by Delicreep; 11-18-2012, 09:42 AM.
                            eli acted a little spoiled , he isnt a team player. he cares about his career only as he did during the 2004 draft. he did not mentor webb …Harooni

                            i have to look it up i think a few starting qb's have sat out a few games once eliminated…Harooni

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                            • Originally posted by bigjeep View Post
                              If Simms was our QB In SB's 2008 and 2012, we would have lost both games!
                              based on what ?
                              how each man actually played in the game ?
                              Simms had one of the top performances of all-time.
                              Eli had a "helmet clutch" and less than pedestrian stats.

                              had Simms been there in either 2008 or 2012 it would not have
                              come down to "E-LUCKY"

                              its "fire and ice" vs "deer in the headlites confusion"

                              and i bet you that this year Parcell's woulda benched his "goober-pyle" asterisk by now.
                              due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                              my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                              • Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                                based on what ?
                                how each man actually played in the game ?
                                Simms had one of the top performances of all-time.
                                Eli had a "helmet clutch" and less than pedestrian stats.

                                had Simms been there in either 2008 or 2012 it would not have
                                come down to "E-LUCKY"

                                its "fire and ice" vs "deer in the headlites confusion"


                                and i bet you that this year Parcell's woulda benched his "goober-pyle" asterisk by now.
                                so why are you such a **** when it comes to Eli??
                                just curious
                                "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                                You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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