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  • chasjay
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    Ah, but would Joe have thrived here in the Meadowlands as he did with Joe Walsh? I don't think so.
    I'm betting you meant Bill Walsh, Rosie, although I'm a big Joe Walsh fan too - 'cause life's been good to me so far.

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  • GameTime
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I thought last year was a precursor of what was to come. Perhaps I misjudged him.
    no not really...you will see that again. But how many QBs are truly "slumpless"???? Most have them . Eli more than some.
    Its his game.....this is what he does....

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  • giantsfan420
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    throwing the tightest spiral has nothing to do with being a great passer imo. jemarcus russell threw the tightest spiral i've ever seen, same with vick...they arent .25 the passer eli is...and eli still throws a very good spiral. sometimes, like the td pass to randle, when trying to place the ball on certain throws, ur just not gonna have a super tight spiral...and again, peyton throws the ugliest ducks ive ever seen, watch some full games of his even going back to indy...talk about wobblers...is it ur contention peyton isnt a great passer?

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  • giantsfan420
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    Before you do, let me tell you something Eli was saying about his big brother. Someone had asked Eli how Peyton was doing and Eli respond that he "continues to make progress" and that you can see by his throws (that he's throwing tighter spirals - his words) as the season has progressed.

    Now let's be honest, Eli has thrown and continues to throw a lot of wobbly ducks. No doubt he has improved, especially with his accuracy, but he just doesn't throw a great pass. And of course we all know that has stopped him from being a two-time SB MVP. So don't get your panties in a bunch over it. Everything is relative. It's just football talk.
    i guess ill start with "eli has the highest % completion on passes 20 yds or more, as well as the most passes traveled 20 yds in the air or more over the last what, 3 seasons?"
    the fact he is able to be so competitive with other qbs passer completion, qb rating when he's making so many more difficult throws a year, to me, means he is one helluva passer.
    peyton manning throws the ugliest ducks ive ever seen...guess what, they all are on target. is he not "a great passer"? eli doesnt always have the prettiest ball, he also rarely has the time to set his feet and plant into the throw with how quickly he consistently gets rid of the ball. he's able to make those passes 20 yds or more with more success than other qbs while often having to throw off his back foot...eli's saving grace imo is his ability as a passer. he makes stick throws in situations other qbs simply cannot ie the sb pass to MM...

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  • DaKraken
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    Can we end this thread - it's exhausting to keep seeing it rise to the top of the boards and be perpetuated.

    The term "elite" is such a ridiculous adjective in sports. Who really cares what Phil Simms has to say about him at this point other than being a paid announcer and pundit to do so. He obviously has other feelings at play here given Eli passed him in the Giants record books.

    Bottom line - Eli has two SB rings, is one of the handful of QBs in the game right now who even has one, and is amongst the very few in the league whose team can be confident they can win one with their current starting QB. We're lucky to have that. End of story.

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  • dezzzR
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    I think last year was the best statistical year we can expect from Eli.
    He wont put those yards up again but I think he can put up +30 TDs again
    Last edited by dezzzR; 11-30-2012, 05:12 PM.

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    I thought last year was a precursor of what was to come. Perhaps I misjudged him.
    I think last year was the best statistical year we can expect from Eli.

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    Ah, but would Joe have thrived here in the Meadowlands as he did with Joe Walsh? I don't think so.
    I think so ... Ed DeBartolo Jr. was the driving force on that team, not Bill Walsh (from an emotional standpoint) and he and Parcells were very similar in their interactions with the players.

    There's a great episode of The Football Life on Eddie D. on the NFL Network currently btw.

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    lol. You might be right, but I've always seen him as the kinda of guy who talks players up. I guy who if he doesn't have something nice to say he doesn't say anything.

    I think he was being honest and I didn't take it as a slight against Eli. But what I do think is if you are a HOF'er then you are among the best. And Phil said he thinks Eli is a HOF'er, so I'd say he might be talking out both sides of his mouth.
    Oh yeah I don't disagree there ... Simms has been very flattering of Eli in the past (much more so then some other ex-Giants).

    Simms, while very conscious of not saying stuff in front of the media as a player, was hell on wheels when the reporters weren't in front of him. LOTS of field recorded stuff that would make a trucker blush. He was never shy about his opinions in pseudo-private.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    Phil threw a nice ball the spiral wise then Eli for sure. I guess he was more accurate but I cant really say that for sure. I have seen Eli hit many a tight window. As you said....Eli isnt out growing anything.....IMO its the way he is....
    I thought last year was a precursor of what was to come. Perhaps I misjudged him.

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  • TheEnigma
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    Eli's definitely underwhelming when it comes to the short passing game but I don't think he gets enough consideration for his deep ball accuracy, especially when he puts it in places that defenders can do nothing about. Even down the slump stretch this year, he had a pass or two that was excellent but dropped by the receiver (looking at you Cruz).

    I still think Cutler has the best arm in the league when you consider his release time and how fast that sucker travels to the receiver on his deep game. It's ashame that he has anger issues and suffers from inconsistency because he has the tools to be a top QB.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    That pretty much sums up my feelings on Eli and why I consider him elite.

    I would have traded Simms for Montana in a heartbeat.
    Ah, but would Joe have thrived here in the Meadowlands as he did with Joe Walsh? I don't think so.

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    Not after Marshall hit him though. He was then damaged goods....lol
    Ok you got me there

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  • GameTime
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    That pretty much sums up my feelings on Eli and why I consider him elite.

    I would have traded Simms for Montana in a heartbeat.
    Not after Marshall hit him though. He was then damaged goods....lol

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    Ohhh gotta disagree there big guy.

    As for Simms comments, I believe they were more attention driven then anything. Simms is an analyst/commentator and he needs talking point material as much as anyone. But yeah I think part of it was maliciously driven. Phil has never struck me as the overly evolved type.

    lol. You might be right, but I've always seen him as the kinda of guy who talks players up. I guy who if he doesn't have something nice to say he doesn't say anything.

    I think he was being honest and I didn't take it as a slight against Eli. But what I do think is if you are a HOF'er then you are among the best. And Phil said he thinks Eli is a HOF'er, so I'd say he might be talking out both sides of his mouth.

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