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  • #76
    Warner said it best, Eli will need that league MVP in todays passing first nfl. guys are putting up numbers and you cant stick them all in the HOF it doesnt work that way.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
      You really think that our complex scheme has nothing to do with his ints??? Come on man give the guy some damn respect. Ints. are not everything. He just started his prime and already threw for 30,000 yards and by the time this year ends he will have over 200 td's. He is elite. You must be one of those fans that are stuck on Simms and never want someone to succeed over him. What other QB's are putting up the numberd he has?? It's a very few. To me Simms would've been better off saying that he considers Elite one or two players instead of what he said.
      remember the rules are different than 20 years ago. you will see many qb's achieve 30,000 and 200 td passes. hell, you will see 5,000 a season and 30 plus a year more and more just keep watching.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Harooni View Post
        if you go off eli;s career numbers you see last year he was very good, but other than that no "
        elite" stats now if you are going off his 2 min drill comebacks intangibles and sb's i can see that also. But for the most part Simms is correct.

        hopefully this lights that fire under eli.
        25 pages anyone?
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #79
          Simms should get more Hall notice and Eli will get into the HoF barring serious injury.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
            You really think that our complex scheme has nothing to do with his ints??? Come on man give the guy some damn respect. Ints. are not everything. He just started his prime and already threw for 30,000 yards and by the time this year ends he will have over 200 td's. He is elite. You must be one of those fans that are stuck on Simms and never want someone to succeed over him. What other QB's are putting up the numberd he has?? It's a very few. To me Simms would've been better off saying that he considers Elite one or two players instead of what he said.
            You put Simms in this system, coddle him like this staff has coddled Eli, given him Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz (instead of Byron Williams, Lionel Manuel, Ernest Gray and Bobby Johnson) let him play with these rules in the secondary and roughing the QB, and he puts up all time great numbers.
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by sharick88 View Post
              http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo.../aaron-rodgers

              I wouldn't necessarily call those a bad stretch of games.
              lol he had 4td''s and 3 int. that not that great....my point was he went through a bad stretch of games too it happens.
              sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                remember the rules are different than 20 years ago. you will see many qb's achieve 30,000 and 200 td passes. hell, you will see 5,000 a season and 30 plus a year more and more just keep watching.
                I'm sure Andrew Luck will hit 6,000 at some point in his career. That will be an amazing year of football.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                  Warner said it best, Eli will need that league MVP in todays passing first nfl. guys are putting up numbers and you cant stick them all in the HOF it doesnt work that way.
                  No, they all dont... only the ones with 2 Superbowl MVP rings and multiple ProBowl selections to go with it?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    You put Simms in this system, coddle him like this staff has coddled Eli, given him Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz (instead of Byron Williams, Lionel Manuel, Ernest Gray and Bobby Johnson) let him play with these rules in the secondary and roughing the QB, and he puts up all time great numbers.
                    bingo at the end of the day simms was more accurate and played better at home during nov/dec. simms would also stay in the pocket step up and deliver the ball not spin and shy away and heave it up for grabs.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      You put Simms in this system, coddle him like this staff has coddled Eli, given him Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz (instead of Byron Williams, Lionel Manuel, Ernest Gray and Bobby Johnson) let him play with these rules in the secondary and roughing the QB, and he puts up all time great numbers.
                      AND, Beatty would have caught Simms' pass
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #86
                        Simms does not care for the giants. Eli included. you hear it in his voice when he calls the games. the name Simms and Elite never show up in the same sentence . Elite is not always the numbers. Eli has a presence as an elite QB and many times does play like and elite QB. Simms could only wish to have that! F Simms!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by tcseacliff View Post
                          Simms does not care for the giants. Eli included. you hear it in his voice when he calls the games. the name Simms and Elite never show up in the same sentence . Elite is not always the numbers. Eli has a presence as an elite QB and many times does play like and elite QB. Simms could only wish to have that! F Simms!
                          Did you ever see Simms play?
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #88
                            I mean if Simms, Warner Toomer, Tiki, Shockey Plaxico and Strahan said it at one point. Can we really say its all them and they are wrong?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                              bingo at the end of the day simms was more accurate and played better at home during nov/dec. simms would also stay in the pocket step up and deliver the ball not spin and shy away and heave it up for grabs.
                              When Phil Simms had time, he was virtually unstoppable.....it was either caught, or dropped, but he threw it on a rope, and hit his receivers between the numbers.

                              Seriously, he would absolutely carve up defenses.....but if he didn't have the time, he was a mess, because he was Dan Fouts slow.

                              Another thing.....of all the yardage Simms threw for, so many of them came on 3rd down. The old Giants ran a **** ton more than now.

                              If the NFL had a stat for "most 3rd down passing yardage while getting drilled in the ribs" .....Phil would be the all-time NFL leader.
                              "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                              "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
                                lol he had 4td''s and 3 int. that not that great....my point was he went through a bad stretch of games too it happens.
                                It's better than 2 tds and 6 ints in a 5 game stretch. Yes, a 5 game stretch!! Those numbers are Sanchezlike. Anyways, don't get it twisted. I am an Eli fan. IMO, he isn't an elite guy right now. He'll be better no doubt, but you have the take the bad in with the good.
                                If you respect others, they will respect you.

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