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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    I'd make that bow work.
    dont know if thats good or bad....Harooni may like it though....
    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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    • people have kneejerk reactions whether its "hes the best ever" bc of a phenomenal game or "he's not elite" bc he has a few bad games yearly.

      MS, do you consider how you were saying Peyton was done a month or so into the season a knee jerk response looking back at your comments now? Don't want to go fishing for the posts but I recall seeing some posts where you were adamant that Peyton was not gonna be anywhere near the player he was....

      peytons a good example of how people are so quick to forget the things they've said in what I refer to as "knee jerk" responses. A lot of people were writing Peyton off bc he didnt come out lighting it up the way he is now, and look how silly those responses were. Similarily, whenever eli has a rough spot, people come out and claim he was overrated, and a very good but not great qb...and then he leads the team to an epic SB run...twice...Im gonna wait until the final 5 reg season games are played to assess his reg season, then wait for the postseasons conclusion to assess his play there but i certainly believe eli has done way more than enough consistently to be considered elite and that opinion is prevalent now
      Last edited by giantsfan420; 11-28-2012, 01:30 PM.

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      • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
        people have kneejerk reactions whether its "hes the best ever" bc of a phenomenal game or "he's not elite" bc he has a few bad games yearly.

        MS, do you consider how you were saying Peyton was done a month or so into the season a knee jerk response looking back at your comments now? Don't want to go fishing for the posts but I recall seeing some posts where you were adamant that Peyton was not gonna be anywhere near the player he was....
        I never once said anything negative about Peyton. I picked them to win the AFC solely because they now had Peyton.
        As Roger Clemens says.."You must be misremembering".
        Even in the game where he had the three picks in Atlanta, he still brought them back. Because he's PEYTON MANNING!
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          I never once said anything negative about Peyton. I picked them to win the AFC solely because they now had Peyton.
          As Roger Clemens says.."You must be misremembering".
          Even in the game where he had the three picks in Atlanta, he still brought them back. Because he's PEYTON MANNING!
          Isnt that the exact same thing Eli did vs Wash a few weeks ago??????

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          • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
            Isnt that the exact same thing Eli did vs Wash a few weeks ago??????
            Well there you go Dezzy. Everyone wins!
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              Does she carry weapons?
              Don't they all?
              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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              • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                people have kneejerk reactions whether its "hes the best ever" bc of a phenomenal game or "he's not elite" bc he has a few bad games yearly.

                MS, do you consider how you were saying Peyton was done a month or so into the season a knee jerk response looking back at your comments now? Don't want to go fishing for the posts but I recall seeing some posts where you were adamant that Peyton was not gonna be anywhere near the player he was....

                peytons a good example of how people are so quick to forget the things they've said in what I refer to as "knee jerk" responses. A lot of people were writing Peyton off bc he didnt come out lighting it up the way he is now, and look how silly those responses were. Similarily, whenever eli has a rough spot, people come out and claim he was overrated, and a very good but not great qb...and then he leads the team to an epic SB run...twice...Im gonna wait until the final 5 reg season games are played to assess his reg season, then wait for the postseasons conclusion to assess his play there but i certainly believe eli has done way more than enough consistently to be considered elite and that opinion is prevalent now
                +1

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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  As i said, everyone has a right to their opinion. To me "elite" is the best of the best. 6th best doesn't qualify. If it was 6th out of 100? Maybe. 6th out of 32? I don't think so.
                  If you look at my post I never said anything about him being elite, I said the word is meaningless. I was making a comment that you said he was not one of the greats of our time, which I would think the 6th best in the league (in your opinion), the two Super Bowls, two Super Bowl MVP, and all the wins would qualify him as one of the greats of our time. So by your logic only the number one qb in the league playing right now can be considered "a great of our time"?

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    Does she carry weapons?
                    6" Stilletos

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                    • Originally posted by Dline83 View Post
                      If you look at my post I never said anything about him being elite, I said the word is meaningless. I was making a comment that you said he was not one of the greats of our time, which I would think the 6th best in the league (in your opinion), the two Super Bowls, two Super Bowl MVP, and all the wins would qualify him as one of the greats of our time. So by your logic only the number one qb in the league playing right now can be considered "a great of our time"?
                      Look as far as I'm concerned there is Brady and Peyton, then a big drop off to Rodgers and Brees, then another big drop off to Eli and Ben. But there are a few nipping at Ben and Eli's heels.
                      Thats the hierarchy as far as I'm concerned.
                      I don't give a **** what you call any of them. "Elite", "Great"....whatever.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • all i know is that eli is a proven winner and has come up huge in big situations. that's good enough for me.

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          Look as far as I'm concerned there is Brady and Peyton, then a big drop off to Rodgers and Brees, then another big drop off to Eli and Ben. But there are a few nipping at Ben and Eli's heels.
                          Thats the hierarchy as far as I'm concerned.
                          I don't give a **** what you call any of them. "Elite", "Great"....whatever.
                          The reason I put Eli ahead of Peyton, Rodgers and Brees ...

                          1) Peyton - Great regular season QB ... tries to shoulder too much, especially during the post season. And Eli has more rings in a shorter time span. Peyton definitely gets the nod towards stats but loses to Eli on clutch performances.

                          2) Rodgers - Hasn't done enough yet to warrant being included (although he is well on his way). But if you're going to put him in the mix, Eli definitely has outdone him resume wise.

                          3) Brees - Eli edges Brees on clutch performances as well as rings. Brees beats Eli on stats. 2 > 1. Again, if you compare the two as of today. Also Brees has had a MUCH better cast to work with (imo).
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                          • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                            The reason I put Eli ahead of Peyton, Rodgers and Brees ...

                            1) Peyton - Great regular season QB ... tries to shoulder too much, especially during the post season. And Eli has more rings in a shorter time span. Peyton definitely gets the nod towards stats but loses to Eli on clutch performances.

                            2) Rodgers - Hasn't done enough yet to warrant being included (although he is well on his way). But if you're going to put him in the mix, Eli definitely has outdone him resume wise.

                            3) Brees - Eli edges Brees on clutch performances as well as rings. Brees beats Eli on stats. 2 > 1. Again, if you compare the two as of today. Also Brees has had a MUCH better cast to work with (imo).
                            There are about 8 (all Giants fans) who would put Eli over any of those 3 guys. Looks like you are one of them.

                            To say that our guy is as good as Peyton, Brees or Rodgers just defies logic. Thats not a knock on Eli because those guys are just flat great.

                            You do know it takes more than a QB to win a SB.....Right?
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • to me peyton is the arguably the greatest quarterback in the history of the nfl. the way he commands an offense and the numbers he has put up so far in his career are just amazing. look how well he is doing with denver even after being out for over a year. he could easily be the nfl mvp this year in my opinion. so many people thought he made the wrong choice in picking denver over san fran cause denver is a cold weather city and they are not nearly a contender as san fran is and so far peyton has proved all those people wrong.

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                              • Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Eli on a consistent basis and doesn't seem to suffer nearly as bad slumps BUT...I think there needs to be an asterisk beside his name that explains he had 3 years to sit on the bench before having to take any serious snaps. We never really got to see crappy Rodgers because he was protected on the bench.

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