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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?
    Exactly.

    Rodgers' career = incomplete.
    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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    • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
      Exactly.

      Rodgers' career = incomplete.
      Everybody who is still playing has an incomplete career. How is this not obvious to you?
      So when a guy is still playing we shouldn't talk about him?
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
        Everybody who is still playing has an incomplete career. How is this not obvious to you?
        So when a guy is still playing we shouldn't talk about him?
        If Brady, Brees, Roflberger, Peyton and Eli were to drop dead today, they would be HoFers (Eli being borderline but I believe his two MVPs would put him over the top, as would Roflberger and his # of SB appearances).

        Rodgers would not be in the HoF.

        Or do you dispute that?
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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        • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
          If Brady, Brees, Roflberger, Peyton and Eli were to drop dead today, they would be HoFers (Eli being borderline but I believe his two MVPs would put him over the top, as would Roflberger and his # of SB appearances).

          Rodgers would not be in the HoF.

          Or do you dispute that?
          What does Hall of Fame status have to do with a complete or incomplete career?
          And as for your little dire scenario, I have no idea what motivates a bunch of sports writers.
          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            What does Hall of Fame status have to do with a complete or incomplete career?
            And as for your little dire scenario, I have no idea what motivates a bunch of sports writers.
            You make equivocating an art form sir.

            And you also made my point.

            In any event, I think Simms was just throwing up **** to see what would stick (he hasn't been this talked about since 86). If you truly don't think Eli is elite, then cool. As a Giants fan, I'll enjoy my little bit of self induced nirvana
            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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            • Eli has legendary moments but he's not like a Marino, Peyton, or Brady that you can insert almost any gametape and expect to be wowed by fireworks if that makes sense. Rodgers and Brees are there as well but they need more championships.

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              • wow.... 117 pages

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                • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                  Tell that to Marino, Kelly, Montana and Elway.

                  Definitely a different league back then but let's not pretend it was 1932 either.
                  Marino couldn't win in that league, and Elway couldn't win until the shift from defense to offense happened. Kelly and Montana are the outliers though Kelly dominated a terrible AFC and then got demolished by the NFC.

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                  • Originally posted by Giants5699 View Post
                    Marino couldn't win in that league, and Elway couldn't win until the shift from defense to offense happened. Kelly and Montana are the outliers though Kelly dominated a terrible AFC and then got demolished by the NFC.
                    Are you insane? Marino had 3 losing records in 17 years and Elway went to 5 SBs (incidentally the shift from defense to offense didn't happen until after Y2K and the new receiver rules).
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                    • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      Are you insane? Marino had 3 losing records in 17 years and Elway went to 5 SBs (incidentally the shift from defense to offense didn't happen until after Y2K and the new receiver rules).
                      Yeah Marino's hand has a lot of rings on it.... Elway also dominated a terrible AFC. The AFC couldn't compete with the NFC back then. Those guys couldn't beat teams with good defenses when it mattered or else Elway would have more than 2 rings, Marino would have more than 0, and Kelly would have more than 0. Montana was the outlier, though that team was one of the greatest in history... Romo would have won super bowls on that team.

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                      • Originally posted by sharick88 View Post
                        To Brees' credit, his defense is the worst in the league and he STILL got his. Brady still got his in his loss against the seahawks. Even though Rodgers started off 1-3, his stats in those games weren't bad and were posted earlier in thread. You mention those 3 QB's losing to sorry QBs. How about Eli losing to Rex Grosman last year TWICE and Vince Young!!!!! Anyways, you seriously need to get Eli's nuts out of your mouth and see things for what they are. None of those guys went on a 1 td and 6 int slump in any of their games. 1td and 6 ints in a four game stretch is Sanchez like. Just because I don't think Eli is an elite QB doesn't mean that I think he is great QB and a future hall of fame player. He is my guy, but I am not blind to his poor play at times.
                        Bumping this post because I OWNED Gentlegiant with it

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                        • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                          Eli has legendary moments but he's not like a Marino, Peyton, or Brady that you can insert almost any gametape and expect to be wowed by fireworks if that makes sense. Rodgers and Brees are there as well but they need more championships.
                          Define "legendary moments" You mean throwing 6 touchdowns a game? or..
                          Mood: WOOF!

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                          • Originally posted by rebelfan1966 View Post
                            wow.... 117 pages
                            I think this thread has Legend of Seawright potential

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              Define "legendary moments" You mean throwing 6 touchdowns a game? or..
                              Tyree Helmet Catch, Manningham pass to the sidelines, somehow not falling into two pieces against the 49ers pass rush...things like that. As of now, he won't be forgotten in NFL lore though people will say "Yeah, he had those moments but he was too inconsistent on a game to game basis".

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                              • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                                Tyree Helmet Catch, Manningham pass to the sidelines, somehow not falling into two pieces against the 49ers pass rush...things like that. As of now, he won't be forgotten in NFL lore though people will say "Yeah, he had those moments but he was too inconsistent on a game to game basis".
                                But what does that have to do with him being a good quarter back? Not every quarter back is going to have legendary moments in every game. Peyton certainly didn't look legendary against the chiefs this past week, or Aaron Rodgers against us, or Drew Brees against San Fran.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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