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  • giantsfan420 but ur the one saying eli isnt a great passer bc he doesnt always have a tight spiral.
    Those are your words not mine.

    eli was merely commenting on his brothers health and getting back into football. peyton prob couldnt throw at all at one point, and now he's throwing spirals..
    Please don't act like you know what you're talking about. Eli made these comments recently.


    .still, peyton has some of the uglies ducks ever even worse than eli. is peyton not a great passer? is simms a better "passer" then peyton bc simms had a tighter spiral? im really asking bc i believe even earlier in the thread you made the contention that eli would never be a good passer bc of some of the ducks he throws in comparison to simms...so if peyton throws an even uglier ball, that must follow suit for peyton too no?
    Again, your words. I've never thought of Peyton as a QB that can't throw. I've always thought of Peyton as a master of his position.

    we all just have different measurement parameters i guess, to me, if it isnt the prettiest spiral but still ends up where it needs to be, i dont hold that against a qb. im more into the results, then looks. and in a lot of ways, stats are metaphorically the looks of a qb, while w/l and success is the results...for me at least
    Quit getting hung up on the 'prettiest spiral' thing. Comment on his pass to Hyno and later to Ahmad. Tell me another truly great QB that makes throws like that.
    Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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    • Originally posted by chasjay View Post
      you got me.
      My bad. I was thinking about Joe Walton.
      Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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      • Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
        Those are your words not mine.



        Please don't act like you know what you're talking about. Eli made these comments recently.




        Again, your words. I've never thought of Peyton as a QB that can't throw. I've always thought of Peyton as a master of his position.



        Quit getting hung up on the 'prettiest spiral' thing. Comment on his pass to Hyno and later to Ahmad. Tell me another truly great QB that makes throws like that.
        brees and peyton. and i guess i misconstrued when u posted that simms threw a prettier ball and was a much better "passer". you've said many times in this thread that eli throws ugly passes and isnt a great passer.

        you did say he wasnt a great passer, right? could you explain in more detail why? and also why he'll "never" be one bc you stated that as well...if misthrows are your criteria, then rodgers, peyton manning, brees, brady, simms...they're all not great passers then...brees had an int last night in the exact same manner that eli had one vs cinci and he was lambasted here...

        im not trying to put down ur opinion, im just looking for your reasoning bc its mine and many intelligent fans belief that eli is a master of his position just like peyton is. and that eli is one of the better "pure" passers in the game with the types of throws he can make that other qbs simply cant/

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        • i guess this is how people felt when they forgot about YA tittle. younger generation moves on and we have to expect it. I understand why some prefer Eli , its because its happening now not 20 years ago. hell some people arguing are only in there 20's.

          We need to stop this back and forth and just be happy Eli got it. because 5-6 years ago i was pretty worried he was a doof.

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          • giantsfan420 brees and peyton. and i guess i misconstrued when u posted that simms threw a prettier ball
            This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.

            and was a much better "passer". you've said many times in this thread that eli throws ugly passes and isnt a great passer.

            you did say he wasnt a great passer, right? could you explain in more detail why?
            I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.


            and also why he'll "never" be one bc you stated that as well...if misthrows are your criteria, then rodgers, peyton manning, brees, brady, simms...they're all not great passers then...brees had an int last night in the exact same manner that eli had one vs cinci and he was lambasted here...
            I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?

            im not trying to put down
            You could never put me down son.


            ur opinion, im just looking for your reasoning bc its mine and many intelligent fans belief that eli is a master of his position just like peyton is.
            Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.


            and that eli is one of the better "pure" passers in the game with the types of throws he can make that other qbs simply cant
            I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
            Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post

              We need to stop this back and forth and just be happy Eli got it. because 5-6 years ago i was pretty worried he was a doof.
              Eli's no doof. We have only one doof, and he's on this message board.
              Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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              • Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.



                I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.




                I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?



                You could never put me down son.




                Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.




                I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
                ur incapable of just talking football. alright then. just wondered why you stated several times eli is not and will not be a great passer...whatever that means lmao.

                edit- and just fyi, this last week leading to the gb game, aj hawk was on nfl network talking about how eli has mastered the qb position and can carve them up. tc and kg obviously. id prob say every coach whose played against eli feel he has mastery of the qb position.
                and so again, ur def of not being great is a misthrow? like eli misthrew hyno? ok. well then there are no great qbs. i dont know how much of other qbs u actually do watch, but i think ud be surprised with just how many bad passes are thrown from every qb in the league by ur reaction to some of elis misthrows. didnt brady overthrow everyone by 30 yds in the sb for a safety? is he not great bc of that misthrow?
                Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-01-2012, 01:51 AM.

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                • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  ur incapable of just talking football. alright then. just wondered why you stated several times eli is not and will not be a great passer...whatever that means lmao.

                  lmao. thanks 4 ur response to the hyno and bradshaw passes....you disingenuous *****. It's been fun.
                  Last edited by Roosevelt; 12-01-2012, 01:54 AM.
                  Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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                  • Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                    This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?You could never put me down son.Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
                    Rodney Harrison in the beginning of the year said Eli Manning was the best quarterback.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • It is amazing that a 2 time SuperBowl MVP that has numerous NY Giant as well as NFL passing records and is without a doubt The Greatest QB in NY Giants history is continually called average to below average and put down by members of his teams fanbase.

                      For shame.

                      For shame.

                      Years from now when Eli Manning retires and is no longer a NY Giant, you folks will be missing him terribly. Count on it.
                      Last edited by BuffyBlueII; 12-01-2012, 02:13 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                        It is amazing that a 2 time SuperBowl MVP that has numerous NY Giant as well as NFL passing records and is without a doubt The Greatest QB in NY Giants history is continually called average to below average and put down by members of his teams fanbase.

                        For shame.

                        For shame.

                        Years from now when Eli Manning retires and is no longer a NY Giant, you folks will be missing him terribly. Count on it.
                        I agree. Eli is sometimes treated on the board here as if he is a red-headed step cousin. I say enjoy his success because his success is our success. I am grateful we have a qb who can get the job done. No offense to anyone.
                        Last edited by ashleymarie; 12-01-2012, 02:32 AM. Reason: sic

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                        • I wish this thread would just die already.....

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                          • It is amazing how some folks just wait in the wings for Eli to have some bad games so they can run out and point fingers. It is even more amazing that these folks are NY Giants fans. Sure Eli Manning is off and is still not fully out of his slump yet but we are 7-4 and he has thrown for almost 3,000 yards. He is almost out of his slump and will soon light it up. Count on it.I find it even more amazing that people question Eli's toughness. The guy has never missed a game and can take a beating and still excel better than any other QB in football. Folks need to pay attention and appreciate that Eli Manning is our QB.

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              Rodney Harrison in the beginning of the year said Eli Manning was the best quarterback.
                              I saw an interview with him the other day and he still said the same thing. Pretty high praise from a defensive back.

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                              • Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                                This is why you are a ****. Quote me on this comment or shut the **** up.



                                I brought up the the recent throws to Hyno and Ahamd and asked you to comment. Here's your chance.




                                I'm going to ignore the nonsense in this quote and address Brees last night. How many times has Brees played like that?



                                You could never put me down son.




                                Name one football player or coach that believes Eli is a master at QB, and quote him.




                                I'd probably rank Eli as the lowest "pure" passer of the greatest QB's I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching pro football.
                                Bree's has had a few games just in this season where he has made bad throws, and bad decisions. He made a throw to the rb that was a bullet and was dropped and he was way shot of an open wr when he had a clean pocket to throw from. I've made multiple posts pointing this out...

                                Before the game Rodney Harrison said he thought Eli was the best qb in the game. Tom Coughlin has said Eli is elite, and almost every player when asked about Manning says complimentary things.

                                I just don't understand some of the things you state. Why do you view Eli as the lowest pure passer of the greats in the last 30 years, once again it seems like your making kind of a reach there, and either way he is still playing, what would you have said about Simms after 8 seasons?

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