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  • Eliscruzzz
    started a topic Victor Cruz getting ripped on facebook again....

    Victor Cruz getting ripped on facebook again....

    http://www.facebook.com/cruz?ref=ts&fref=ts The day after the Giants got beatdown by the Bengals.. Cruz puts on fb, what hat should he choose and wants fans to vote and gets ripped.
    Last edited by Eliscruzzz; 11-13-2012, 03:55 PM.

  • dezzzR
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    Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
    Again, a lot of you are taking the whole thing too seriously, to the point where it's quite disturbing.

    He knows he's been playing badly lately. He knows the team has lost 2 in a row. He knows the fans are probably upset

    So he has a Facebook account in order to connect with the fans. Yes, he should expect good AND bad things on there, and I can all but guarantee that he does. However, it still doesn't mean that going bat **** crazy on the guy for asking about a hat after a loss is ok, and that he deserves to be lambasted because you dont have the tact to know when you've gone too far. Like Harooni said earlier, I think a lot of you guys want to see a video of him bashing his head against the wall, instead of moving on with his life and working on getting his game back on track. He doesn't owe any single one of us a single thing, so get off his back, will ya? I'm quite sure that playing badly isn't part of his master plan.
    I said earlier that fans want him to be just as upset as they are. Asking what hat he should wear on facebook and finding out hes working with Jayz after a horrible loss gives off a feeling that hes not as concerned as we are. Reminds me of Romo going to Mexico during the playoffs. He turned down dancing with the stars last year cause he wanted to focus on football. What has changed? The sb ring on his finger? Id like him to focus on football during the season and save all the fb and Jayz crap for the off season. I think thats what most fans want as well.
    Last edited by dezzzR; 11-16-2012, 11:35 AM.

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  • jomo
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    Originally posted by njg85m View Post
    There have been some comments that were pretty shameful. Fortunately not many people crossed the line.
    For me I have no problem with fans ripping into a player, or criticizing them via social media, but I find it absolutely despicable when they go too far and start threatening players, using racial slurs, etc, etc. The Steve Smith fiasco was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen on the internet. Truly awful some of the things people said to him.
    That's probably why Die-Hard was so fired up in defense of Cruz. I didn't read the remarks on Facebook. Of course there are limits on how to express displeasure with a player's ill timed remarks on Facebook and from your description, some people crossed that line.

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  • Diamondring
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    His career is short and needs to play better than come out with the wich hat I should wear etc. He is getting a lot of money to perform or may get it so he needs to play better. But there is a but though. We don't know how hard he is working to get back on top so we can't judge him.

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  • njg85m
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    Originally posted by GiantRoc View Post
    I have to agree with Jomo's posts. He pretty much said it all. I don't have a facebook or twitter page. I don't think anyone really gives a crap about my day to day life, other than my family and friends. I like to actually talk to them. All that aside, was there more to this? I mean those comments seemed pretty tame to me. Remember "fan" is short for fanatic. Fans seem to be more invested emotionally to teams than players. Its just the way it is. I think Victor found that out and will take it into account in the future. If you put yourself out there you have to take the bad with the good. Those people have just as much right to post as the butt kissers.
    There have been some comments that were pretty shameful. Fortunately not many people crossed the line.
    For me I have no problem with fans ripping into a player, or criticizing them via social media, but I find it absolutely despicable when they go too far and start threatening players, using racial slurs, etc, etc. The Steve Smith fiasco was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen on the internet. Truly awful some of the things people said to him.

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  • GiantRoc
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    I have to agree with Jomo's posts. He pretty much said it all. I don't have a facebook or twitter page. I don't think anyone really gives a crap about my day to day life, other than my family and friends. I like to actually talk to them. All that aside, was there more to this? I mean those comments seemed pretty tame to me. Remember "fan" is short for fanatic. Fans seem to be more invested emotionally to teams than players. Its just the way it is. I think Victor found that out and will take it into account in the future. If you put yourself out there you have to take the bad with the good. Those people have just as much right to post as the butt kissers.

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  • CowboysSuck
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    He should call Steve Smith and ask for advice on what to do.

    Smith was all but run out of..well town("The Internet") after his announcement to Philly.

    His facebook contained some of the most hateful and vulgar language you will ever see on that site.

    Lets just say in less than 24 hours his FB was removed. Cruz should learn a thing or two from that. Social Media can be a big tool, but when you **** off your audience, its useless.

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  • jomo
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    Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
    Ok. So what should he do? What actions could he take to make amends? Should he lock himself in a room and watch film for 5 straight days?

    Not being the least bit sarcastic or facetious. I'd really like to hear your solution.

    These guys are trained to have short memories. You can't dwell on the mistakes or the bad games, because you'll never be able to get past them, and it'll carry over to the next one. Thats what I see Vic doing, and thats what I was taught when I played ball years ago. Forget it, and move on.
    I may be missing your point or you may be attaching me to others' comments. Of course there is no way for him to put the tooth paste back in the tube. .............and maybe the reaction is a bit much (I haven't read any of it). However, it is very useful for him to hear from the fans about how they feel. He "poked the bear" and he should know what happens when you do that. My comments were focused on the use of social media by untrained and not so worldly users. Frankly, all of his popularity flows from football so my recommendation would be that during the season, he stick solely to that. In the off season, he can reveal his more nuanced side.

    It is also concerning to me that within 24 hours of a devastating loss where he did virtually nothing that he was OK with going off message. Most people, whether the loss was in sports or with family or business, would be involved in introspection and analysis figuring out how to get the ship straightened out.........but he's doing that through hats?

    Lastly, at the risk of being redundant it is really all about "appearances" and he appeared totally out of touch with the the people who pay his salary.He could have asked his buddies about choices in hats. Social media puts everything on steroids (bad referece there) and this reaction by fans (remember i said I haven't read it) is certainly an expected outgrowth of an inappropriate comment given what happened less than 24 hours earlier.

    This brings me back to my starting point. The result of this speaks for itself. His choices in what to talk about were flawed to say the least. He needs to hire someone who has better judgement along those lines or he should simply stick to football during the season (which IMO would be best).

    Lastly, there is a part of me that feels this is a good learning experience for VC. I really like him and think he'll learn from this going forward.

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  • Die-Hard
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    Originally posted by jomo View Post
    Let me start by saying I haven't visited his facebook page. That said, he does owe us more than a "single thing". He owes us alot (are you kidding??). We pay large PSLs for the privilege of buying our seats. Then we pay large dollars for those seats. He's been invisible for a few weeks now and needs to understand that fans really don't care about hats, we care about wins and at least the appearance that our team cares deeply about winning. Introducing such a silly topic for his fans on the heals of an abysmal performance by his team and by him personally means he is disconnected from the typical fan. That is unacceptable. It is called a tin ear in some quarters. It is all about appearances and his appearance is not good. I love the kid but he needs advice and direction from an adult with a better feel for how the fan base will react.

    By the way, the fans set the rules on how they react, not anyone else and certainly not Victor.
    Ok. So what should he do? What actions could he take to make amends? Should he lock himself in a room and watch film for 5 straight days?

    Not being the least bit sarcastic or facetious. I'd really like to hear your solution.

    These guys are trained to have short memories. You can't dwell on the mistakes or the bad games, because you'll never be able to get past them, and it'll carry over to the next one. Thats what I see Vic doing, and thats what I was taught when I played ball years ago. Forget it, and move on.

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  • jomo
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    Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
    Again, a lot of you are taking the whole thing too seriously, to the point where it's quite disturbing.

    He knows he's been playing badly lately. He knows the team has lost 2 in a row. He knows the fans are probably upset

    So he has a Facebook account in order to connect with the fans. Yes, he should expect good AND bad things on there, and I can all but guarantee that he does. However, it still doesn't mean that going bat **** crazy on the guy for asking about a hat after a loss is ok, and that he deserves to be lambasted because you dont have the tact to know when you've gone too far. Like Harooni said earlier, I think a lot of you guys want to see a video of him bashing his head against the wall, instead of moving on with his life and working on getting his game back on track. He doesn't owe any single one of us a single thing, so get off his back, will ya? I'm quite sure that playing badly isn't part of his master plan.
    Let me start by saying I haven't visited his facebook page. That said, he does owe us more than a "single thing". He owes us alot (are you kidding??). We pay large PSLs for the privilege of buying our seats. Then we pay large dollars for those seats. He's been invisible for a few weeks now and needs to understand that fans really don't care about hats, we care about wins and at least the appearance that our team cares deeply about winning. Introducing such a silly topic for his fans on the heals of an abysmal performance by his team and by him personally means he is disconnected from the typical fan. That is unacceptable. It is called a tin ear in some quarters. It is all about appearances and his appearance is not good. I love the kid but he needs advice and direction from an adult with a better feel for how the fan base will react.

    By the way, the fans set the rules on how they react, not anyone else and certainly not Victor.

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  • SG88
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    Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
    Again, a lot of you are taking the whole thing too seriously, to the point where it's quite disturbing.

    He knows he's been playing badly lately. He knows the team has lost 2 in a row. He knows the fans are probably upset

    So he has a Facebook account in order to connect with the fans. Yes, he should expect good AND bad things on there, and I can all but guarantee that he does. However, it still doesn't mean that going bat **** crazy on the guy for asking about a hat after a loss is ok, and that he deserves to be lambasted because you dont have the tact to know when you've gone too far. Like Harooni said earlier, I think a lot of you guys want to see a video of him bashing his head against the wall, instead of moving on with his life and working on getting his game back on track. He doesn't owe any single one of us a single thing, so get off his back, will ya? I'm quite sure that playing badly isn't part of his master plan.
    I agree with you 1000000000000% Athletes make these pages to interact with the fans and to let them into their lives away from the game, not to get ripped a new one everytime they have a bad game. Most of these people trashing Cruz or any other athlete, are keyboard thugs that have no guts.

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  • Die-Hard
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    Again, a lot of you are taking the whole thing too seriously, to the point where it's quite disturbing.

    He knows he's been playing badly lately. He knows the team has lost 2 in a row. He knows the fans are probably upset

    So he has a Facebook account in order to connect with the fans. Yes, he should expect good AND bad things on there, and I can all but guarantee that he does. However, it still doesn't mean that going bat **** crazy on the guy for asking about a hat after a loss is ok, and that he deserves to be lambasted because you dont have the tact to know when you've gone too far. Like Harooni said earlier, I think a lot of you guys want to see a video of him bashing his head against the wall, instead of moving on with his life and working on getting his game back on track. He doesn't owe any single one of us a single thing, so get off his back, will ya? I'm quite sure that playing badly isn't part of his master plan.

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  • jomo
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    Originally posted by He Hate Mee View Post
    FB can give you hell. Just ask ex-giant (soon to be ex-NFL athlete) Steve Smith.

    After he moved to Philly his facebook page was torn to shreds so badly it was deleted. Us New Yorkers have no sympathy for such BS.

    An awful....AWFUL showing like we saw Sunday and Cruz is posting about what hat to wear???

    Its fine to be picking hats, lets not get that wrong, and life is more than football. But he needs to understand his FB audience. We are fans and want to see the Giants win. When we lose that miserably the absolute last thing we would like to see is what hat Cruz is choosing. lord save us
    Athletes and particularly young ones need to stay off social media and hire someone to run it for them. It is difficult for anyone and especially a young athlete who lives in a bubble to understand how dumb some things can look when rolled out through social media. Cruz should either just shut it down or get an uninvolved professional to run it for him.

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  • Dwinsballgames
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    Originally posted by He Hate Mee View Post
    FB can give you hell. Just ask ex-giant (soon to be ex-NFL athlete) Steve Smith.

    After he moved to Philly his facebook page was torn to shreds so badly it was deleted. Us New Yorkers have no sympathy for such BS.

    An awful....AWFUL showing like we saw Sunday and Cruz is posting about what hat to wear???

    Its fine to be picking hats, lets not get that wrong, and life is more than football. But he needs to understand his FB audience. We are fans and want to see the Giants win. When we lose that miserably the absolute last thing we would like to see is what hat Cruz is choosing. lord save us
    Right. I'm sure he was feeling pretty good abot himself when he was tearing it up and had accolades rolling in evry three seconds. That's what you get with social media and also with NY fans. They will tell you when you're doing great and will tell you equally as fast when you're stinkin up the joint.

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  • He Hate Mee
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    FB can give you hell. Just ask ex-giant (soon to be ex-NFL athlete) Steve Smith.

    After he moved to Philly his facebook page was torn to shreds so badly it was deleted. Us New Yorkers have no sympathy for such BS.

    An awful....AWFUL showing like we saw Sunday and Cruz is posting about what hat to wear???

    Its fine to be picking hats, lets not get that wrong, and life is more than football. But he needs to understand his FB audience. We are fans and want to see the Giants win. When we lose that miserably the absolute last thing we would like to see is what hat Cruz is choosing. lord save us

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