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  • #46
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Slumps don't make you do dumb things on the field.
    Eli needs confidence to play well. When he doesn't have it, he starts panicking in the pocket like the old Eli and making rookie mistakes. That's not a slump. His on field mental game is for **** right now.
    And its been 5 games now. He actually played poorly in SF but everyone else played well. (There goes your "its everybody else's fault" theory. Lets not forget the pass he threw into a defenders hands in SF at the goal line which should have been returned 100 yards. He's not seeing the field, he has poor pocket presence right now.
    I'm sorry...right now he's "skittish"
    Again it's not on solely Eli it's on DD and webster putting us in oles. the wrs yes needs to ne better but he is not the sole reason casue you think so. ANY quartebak will be pas with defenders holding on to his jeserys. Eli will tun this are arong Ms has a lttile faith. those dumbdesions that yout talking about dome straight from DD. i DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS PFF
    sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
      Again it's not on solely Eli it's on DD and webster putting us in oles. the wrs yes needs to ne better but he is not the sole reason casue you think so. ANY quartebak will be pas with defenders holding on to his jeserys. Eli will tun this are arong Ms has a lttile faith. those dumbdesions that yout talking about dome straight from DD. i DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS PFF
      No one is saying this is soley on Eli. The Op is trying to make excuses and blame everyone else. Moreheads whole point is everyone deserves blame.
      Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

      ~Big Mike~

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
        The only thing I'm blaming Eli for is his own poor play. I'm not, nor have I, blamed any one player or coach for our team's poor play. Plenty of blame to go around.
        But the OP is essentially excusing Eli's bad play by blaming the rest of the team and the offensive scheme. That notion I reject without hesitation. He has played badly for 5 weeks. The team played great at SF but Eli didn't. Can't blame the rest of the team that day.
        I said after the Dallas game that we weren't going to get away with that kind of poor play anymore. Dallas and Washington handed us the game with 10 total turnovers. well starting with the Pittsburgh game, we weren't getting away with it. We have 6 games left and we better pick it up or we may not win another game. Not playing like this. And the QB is one of the culprits. He's the team leader, he's the QB, he has the ball on every play. Better team play will probably start with him.
        i SISNT HERE U WHEN WE WERE WINNING AND THE GUY HAD is not on to blame ut you like to insist so... The whole offense as a hole. open your eyes please. Ifthis ways Simms let me guess we would be 9-0.
        sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
          No one is saying this is soley on Eli. The Op is trying to make excuses and blame everyone else. Moreheads whole point is everyone deserves blame.
          My pointi that he's saying his slump is'nt not on DD and he is leaving unfree runners at the quarterback so how can you defend that has nothing to do with??? Or peopple dropping passses???
          sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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          • #50
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            This is just Jack before his meds
            thank you. figured something was off.

            LOL
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            • #51
              Eli's having a long stretch of really bad games. It's making everyone wonder if 2011 was just a fluke. Deal with it, and stop crying and making sorry excuses.
              http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
              http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
              http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

              Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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              • #52
                Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                Eli takes SO MUCH ridicule from NFL fans and as sickening as it sounds Giants fans. Eli is absolutely a ****ing ELITE QB in the this league. If you doubt it you're a moron, point blank period. A few poor games because of this miserable offense and now even Giants fans are doubting him? Talk about wishy-washy fans.... it was only a couple of weeks ago everyone was praising his name.


                Kevin Gilbride(while he's a good OC for the most part) calls some of the most predictable, asinine play calling I have ever seen. He runs it on 1st down, 2nd down and then we're forced to throw it on 3rd down.... Geeee well isn't that just tailed made for success? It's no wonder we have one of the WORST red zone offenses in the NFL. (We are the 27th red zone scoring offense)

                Add on that Tom Coughlin holds his loyalty to a washed up once upon a time great O-linemen who now couldn't block a statue if it fell on him. We also have one of the most anemic run games in the league because we hold our loyalty to a guy with 17 foot procedures on each foot and thus has speed comparable to that everyone claimed Jacobs had...or didn't have.



                We have a top 5 receiver that cannot stay or get healthy for the life of him and thus has SERIOUSLY hindered this offense. We have a QB who isn't predominant on targeting his brand name receivers.

                We have a STUD top 10 receiver that can't a catch a pass even if it's a bread basket one over the shoulder for a TD. As great as Cruz is and he is GREAT he struggles sometimes with concentration and or focus.



                If Eli had an offense like GB, or NE, N.O. or the "Peyton offense" (where he can do what he wants when he wants) Eli would have 20 TD's already or damn close to it and less TD's I guaran-damn-tee you that.


                When was the last time you saw us run the no huddle to get a rhythm going? Hell when was the last time you saw us run the no huddle when we were down this season? About as rare as a two dollar bill.




                Few games where he plays poorly(Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees are all exempt from their bad games I guess?) and he's not longer elite. Lol, OK. . .


                Our offense is not made for a QB to have sexy stats. We run, run, run even when the run is getting 0-3 yards all game. We have an EXTREMELY predictable offense. Our offense is predicated on the receivers beating their man. It's not easy to throw on 3rd down all the time when the offense knows you're going to throw. We very RARELY throw it in the red zone.(We have one of the worst red zone offenses in the league because we run it on 1st and 2nd down and then we're forced to throw on 3rd) There's no play action because there's zero threat of a run. The pass protection has been atrocious at times and most recently during this "poor" stretch. Victor Cruz has gone m.i.a. unless he's dropping a breadbasket TD catch. Nicks isn't healthy and hasn't been all season, thus he's been invisible. Martellus Bennett Has a Torn Knee Capsule Bruised ACL & PCL(suffered in week 5 vs Browns).

                Eli has made some poor decisions the past few weeks and it's mainly because of atrocious O-line play and a struggling receiving corps to boot. The O-line ever since Diehl has returned has been abysmal...Snee, Baas all of them pretty much. Diehl allowed 3 sacks alone Sunday.

                Eli trying to make a play makes a bad decision and pays for it.

                This is total nonsense.
                I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                • #53
                  There is alot to be desired with the system Gilbride runs. When Eli is on fire, the offense is very difficult to stop. But I personally think that Eli is much better than the system he operates in.
                  "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                  "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                  • #54
                    oh stop...

                    what happens when Eli and he offense does well......obvioulsy they can handle it...

                    So the offense only isnt friendly when they are sucking????
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                      oh stop...

                      what happens when Eli and he offense does well......obvioulsy they can handle it...

                      So the offense only isnt friendly when they are sucking????
                      I thought when they were sucking it was friendly OH WAIT
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                        I thought when they were sucking it was friendly OH WAIT
                        "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                        You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                        • #57
                          Eli cannot have success when his O-line does not provide enough time in the pocket. Gilbride plays a downfield offense. He has 1 checkdown short route, and the rest are all agressively downfield. His plays need time to develop.

                          What is hindering Eli is 1) The offensive line is not giving the play enough time (not just DD, the whole line) and 2) The WR being played man to man, losing the battle, and the safeties are playing over the top because they don't respect our running game.

                          I'm not saying Eli couldn't play better, but he is definitely in a poor situation right now, and it's no surprise watching the plays develop that he's not finding a lot of success.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by VBGiantsFan View Post
                            Eli cannot have success when his O-line does not provide enough time in the pocket. Gilbride plays a downfield offense. He has 1 checkdown short route, and the rest are all agressively downfield. His plays need time to develop.
                            sometimes there are no check down routes

                            for instance the 3rd and 1 play against the Steelers

                            this happens quite a bit actually

                            I am no Gilbride hater....I actually like the guy

                            but a check down route or two would be a wise thing to implement when observing an O line performing the way this line has in recent games

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                              Great Qb's dont need a run game.
                              Never said that as an excuse. What I was talking about is the entire offense. Which cant do anything well right now. Running game included. Coaches gotta figure this out.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by VBGiantsFan View Post

                                I'm not saying Eli couldn't play better, but he is definitely in a poor situation right now, and it's no surprise watching the plays develop that he's not finding a lot of success.
                                Not correct. There is equal blame for all. Up until last week Giants were LEAST sacked team in NFL. Why? Good OL play but also Eli getting rid of ball quickly throwing it away or dumping it off. Also short passes are a part of the offense. So it is not true that the passing game is all downfield. In addition, Eli's accuracy took a definite turn for the worse about three games ago when he was still being protected. So it is not all on the line even though they had a terrible game last week. What has happened to Eli's accuracy? He probably doesn't know himself. Last year he was deadly accurate and also during the first six games this year. Hope he can get it back soon. I'm not saying it's all on him but he is definitely a factor. Unfortunately our WRs have also slumped in the same last few games so with two simultaneous problems the passing game has essentially gone to hell. Special teams and defense allowed us to win a couple of those games and almost win another one. Of course, last week everybody played horrible and that game has the boards buzzing. We'll have to see whether that was just a hiccup or a premonition of dark days ahead.

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