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  • #61
    I think there may be more dropped, good throws by Eli than bad throws. many key throws , Eli puts them right on the money , in the hands-DROPPED!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
      sometimes there are no check down routes

      for instance the 3rd and 1 play against the Steelers

      this happens quite a bit actually

      I am no Gilbride hater....I actually like the guy

      but a check down route or two would be a wise thing to implement when observing an O line performing the way this line has in recent games
      Is it just me, or have the Giants been running the offense with just 1 back about 70% of the time?
      Hynoski's healthy correct?
      my beer drinking team has a football problem

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      • #63
        There is nothing wrong with this offensive scheme....Its won us 2 superbowls and has been one of the most electrifying offenses in the NFL for several seasons whether is was running the ball or throwing in the air. The problem with our offense is execution. We have receivers that drop easy passes or lose contraction of where the out of bounds is in the endzone. We have a running back that constantly fumbles and a rookie runningback that is no help in the passing game. We have all these one-dimensional players surrounding Eli Manning. We have no 3rd receiver or tight end, the interior of our offensive line is a mess and Bradshaw bad feet is starting to slow him down.

        What went wrong:

        No replacement for Manningham and Ballard this season.

        Offensive line hasn't been addressed, and we have some free agent busts in Baas and Boothe.

        Running back was finally addressed after the departure of Jacobs, but we did not find a pro-ready rookie...we sat back in draft day sealing our fate.

        Its one man who made these mistakes...and you know who it is. Its not the coaching staff, its the players failing to execute.

        We won the Superbowl in spite of our glaring weaknesses because we had some players really step up at an elite level...Eli, Cruz, JPP.
        " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Tmurda1984 View Post
          There is nothing wrong with this offensive scheme....Its won us 2 superbowls and has been one of the most electrifying offenses in the NFL for several seasons whether is was running the ball or throwing in the air. The problem with our offense is execution. We have receivers that drop easy passes or lose contraction of where the out of bounds is in the endzone. We have a running back that constantly fumbles and a rookie runningback that is no help in the passing game. We have all these one-dimensional players surrounding Eli Manning. We have no 3rd receiver or tight end, the interior of our offensive line is a mess and Bradshaw bad feet is starting to slow him down.

          What went wrong:

          No replacement for Manningham and Ballard this season.

          Offensive line hasn't been addressed, and we have some free agent busts in Baas and Boothe.

          Running back was finally addressed after the departure of Jacobs, but we did not find a pro-ready rookie...we sat back in draft day sealing our fate.

          Its one man who made these mistakes...and you know who it is. Its not the coaching staff, its the players failing to execute.

          We won the Superbowl in spite of our glaring weaknesses because we had some players really step up at an elite level...Eli, Cruz, JPP.
          We went backwards this year, replacement for jacobs, manningham, and ballard turned out to be busts so far.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
            Eli takes SO MUCH ridicule from NFL fans and as sickening as it sounds Giants fans. Eli is absolutely a ****ing ELITE QB in the this league. If you doubt it you're a moron, point blank period. A few poor games because of this miserable offense and now even Giants fans are doubting him? Talk about wishy-washy fans.... it was only a couple of weeks ago everyone was praising his name.


            Kevin Gilbride(while he's a good OC for the most part) calls some of the most predictable, asinine play calling I have ever seen. He runs it on 1st down, 2nd down and then we're forced to throw it on 3rd down.... Geeee well isn't that just tailed made for success? It's no wonder we have one of the WORST red zone offenses in the NFL. (We are the 27th red zone scoring offense)

            Add on that Tom Coughlin holds his loyalty to a washed up once upon a time great O-linemen who now couldn't block a statue if it fell on him. We also have one of the most anemic run games in the league because we hold our loyalty to a guy with 17 foot procedures on each foot and thus has speed comparable to that everyone claimed Jacobs had...or didn't have.



            We have a top 5 receiver that cannot stay or get healthy for the life of him and thus has SERIOUSLY hindered this offense. We have a QB who isn't predominant on targeting his brand name receivers.

            We have a STUD top 10 receiver that can't a catch a pass even if it's a bread basket one over the shoulder for a TD. As great as Cruz is and he is GREAT he struggles sometimes with concentration and or focus.



            If Eli had an offense like GB, or NE, N.O. or the "Peyton offense" (where he can do what he wants when he wants) Eli would have 20 TD's already or damn close to it and less TD's I guaran-damn-tee you that.


            When was the last time you saw us run the no huddle to get a rhythm going? Hell when was the last time you saw us run the no huddle when we were down this season? About as rare as a two dollar bill.




            Few games where he plays poorly(Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees are all exempt from their bad games I guess?) and he's not longer elite. Lol, OK. . .


            Our offense is not made for a QB to have sexy stats. We run, run, run even when the run is getting 0-3 yards all game. We have an EXTREMELY predictable offense. Our offense is predicated on the receivers beating their man. It's not easy to throw on 3rd down all the time when the offense knows you're going to throw. We very RARELY throw it in the red zone.(We have one of the worst red zone offenses in the league because we run it on 1st and 2nd down and then we're forced to throw on 3rd) There's no play action because there's zero threat of a run. The pass protection has been atrocious at times and most recently during this "poor" stretch. Victor Cruz has gone m.i.a. unless he's dropping a breadbasket TD catch. Nicks isn't healthy and hasn't been all season, thus he's been invisible. Martellus Bennett Has a Torn Knee Capsule Bruised ACL & PCL(suffered in week 5 vs Browns).

            Eli has made some poor decisions the past few weeks and it's mainly because of atrocious O-line play and a struggling receiving corps to boot. The O-line ever since Diehl has returned has been abysmal...Snee, Baas all of them pretty much. Diehl allowed 3 sacks alone Sunday.

            Eli trying to make a play makes a bad decision and pays for it.
            i am a big eli guy, but his throws have been off lately. a lot of this slump is on him. no, he hasnt gotten much help like cruz dropping TDs, bennett doing his best manningham impression to not keep his feet in for TDs. that being said, he is forcing things when he is pressured, and it looks like he's letting the poor protection ftustration get to him and lead him into dumb mistakes.

            that being said i agree with your points on the red zone offense. so predictable, and they always get into a tough 3rd down and then a tynes kick.

            i know nicks is banged up but why he doesnt see a ton of throws in the red zone idk, or even bennett for that matter because he can win balls on size alone. it drives me crazy how KG can call some nice plays to get down the field with the pass, and then he tries some garbage "power runs' inside the 20 to score. and they are always the same formations and results.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
              sometimes there are no check down routes

              for instance the 3rd and 1 play against the Steelers

              this happens quite a bit actually

              I am no Gilbride hater....I actually like the guy

              but a check down route or two would be a wise thing to implement when observing an O line performing the way this line has in recent games
              agree with this too.

              kills me how little we utilize a checkdown. other QBs LIVE off of checkdowns when their first options arent there and it helps their offense immensely. (brees, ryan).

              i wish we could see wilson more for this reason, because i think he can be dangerous in space, but he had terrible drops early in the season and i think the coaches still havent gained confidence in him in that regard,

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jax5338 View Post
                agree with this too.

                kills me how little we utilize a checkdown. other QBs LIVE off of checkdowns when their first options arent there and it helps their offense immensely. (brees, ryan).

                i wish we could see wilson more for this reason, because i think he can be dangerous in space, but he had terrible drops early in the season and i think the coaches still havent gained confidence in him in that regard,
                he deserves the chance. the steelers game the other night, more than a few times ben would check to rb who was just sitting in open space and I kept thinking with Wilsons acceleration it would be at the very least a 5 yard play.... AT LEAST

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                  he deserves the chance. the steelers game the other night, more than a few times ben would check to rb who was just sitting in open space and I kept thinking with Wilsons acceleration it would be at the very least a 5 yard play.... AT LEAST
                  yep. i love the way brees and the saints use sproles. not the best runnning team, so they design simple short passes for sproles and send him as a checkdown so if brees has nothing downfield, he can get some easy yardage on early downs. i think it has been even more ffective than their run game.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Tmurda1984 View Post
                    There is nothing wrong with this offensive scheme....Its won us 2 superbowls and has been one of the most electrifying offenses in the NFL for several seasons whether is was running the ball or throwing in the air. The problem with our offense is execution. We have receivers that drop easy passes or lose contraction of where the out of bounds is in the endzone. We have a running back that constantly fumbles and a rookie runningback that is no help in the passing game. We have all these one-dimensional players surrounding Eli Manning. We have no 3rd receiver or tight end, the interior of our offensive line is a mess and Bradshaw bad feet is starting to slow him down.

                    What went wrong:

                    No replacement for Manningham and Ballard this season.

                    Offensive line hasn't been addressed, and we have some free agent busts in Baas and Boothe.

                    Running back was finally addressed after the departure of Jacobs, but we did not find a pro-ready rookie...we sat back in draft day sealing our fate.

                    Its one man who made these mistakes...and you know who it is. Its not the coaching staff, its the players failing to execute.

                    We won the Superbowl in spite of our glaring weaknesses because we had some players really step up at an elite level...Eli, Cruz, JPP.
                    Martellus Bennet is 5 times the player Jake Ballard is

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      Martellus Bennet is 5 times the player Jake Ballard is
                      no
                      Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                      ~Big Mike~

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        OK the premise of this thread is way off base.
                        Very few QB's have as much control over their offense as Eli. Peyton and Brees do but few others. He has the power at the LOS to read the defense, adjust coverage, adjust routes, change the play. Not just the power but he has the responsibility to do so. He essentially runs this offense. To blame "play calling" is nonsense. Eli is not some rookie that runs the play thats called on the sidelines.
                        This is not only not a QB unfriendly offense, its an offense that any veteran QB would kill to play in.

                        This whole "blame everyone else" position is an insult to Eli himself, as if he has no control over the offensive strategy.
                        The kid threw for 4900 yards last year in this offense. We threw it all over the place. And we're still throwing it much more than we run it still.
                        Just stop with this.
                        its friendly for QB's that are smart enough to handle it ,Like Eli. Put an Eagle QB in it u would have a disaster. Alot of the plays people blame Gilbride for its actually Eli changing the play

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                          no
                          Yes he is light years better of a blocker and a better receiver 2

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                            Yes he is light years better of a blocker and a better receiver 2
                            good blocker, but cant catch
                            Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                            ~Big Mike~

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                              he cant catch
                              a few isolated plays does not take away his value as a whole. People seem to forget the guy is injured when he was healthy at the start of the season he was killing it and opening up the field for other players something Ballard never did.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                                a few isolated plays.
                                I stopped reading there because i knew you would say that. Its not a few isolated plays. It is becoming a problem. He has had a number of drops and i have noticed it early on in the season. Its getting to the point where he drops a pass that is right in his hands every game. Ive lost trust in him. He is not reliable like ballad was when the ball was thrown his way. I wont argue who is the better player because bennett can block well. But judging from last year ballard is a better route runner and catches the ball better
                                Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                                ~Big Mike~

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