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  • Changes don't be made and the Giants will lose more games. Giants Offense is too predictable and too many deep routes. Suppose to mix them up to keep the defense on their toes.

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    • There is nothing wrong with Gilbride scheme, Eli needs to make better decisions and someone has to help Eli out in the passing game. Cruz is an undrafted free agent handling double teams for the 1st time, Nicks is always injured but showed some flashes that he's back. Our main problem is the tight end, 3rd receiver, and receivers out the backfield. No1 in our backfield can catch the ball, I even watch Wilson drop or bobble it in the passing game, Bennett teases us fans thinking he's a redzone threat. Fans can run their mouth negatively about Ballard, but he made plays in the endzone. Bennett cant run the fade route, and he loses focus where the out of bounds line is. Hixon, Barden, and Reuben needs to step up like Manningham did for us last year.

      When Ballard and Beckum was hurt in that SuperBowl, we had no options at tight end and the Patriots made sure they doubled Nicks and Cruz. Do you know who benefited from that...Mario Manningham was the unsung hero of that game and even in the Niner game he made a huge catch. We are not getting that this season. Nicks and Cruz are facing the double teams, and Bennett, Hixon, Barden, Reuben, Bradshaw, and Wilson are not taking advantage of it.

      If I was Gilbride, I would be frustrated with this lack of talent. I would run 2 man routes all day with extra blockers from running formations because we dont have any other options to back up Nicks and Cruz.
      " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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      • I would say that the offense is QB friendly, but WR unfriendly... it is extremely difficult for a new receiver to come in and learn the option routes, and get on the same page as the QB.. understanding what he sees and what he expects. It's a great system, when all the pieces are working in sync, and as we have seen a lousy offense when they are not.

        Suggesting it is a lack of talent beyond Cruz and Nicks, in my opinion, is a bit ridiculous. Hixon and Reuben are fine as third receivers... however, Reuben has had some trouble catching on with the system. .

        I don't know what the solution is, but sometimes "dumbing it down" is the best approach, letting the speed and talent take over rather than relying on overly complex system where too many factors are involved with executing correctly. One thing I do know, this team can no longer rely on its defense to win games for them, they will do just enough to keep them in it, the offense has to make some plays if they are going to make the playoffs this year.
        My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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        • I do not agree with this system being WR unfriendly as well. Its 10 weeks into the season, and they had the entire offseason to get this system down. Hixon and Barden been in the same system for years, there is just no excuse for this. People thought that this system was too complicated for Mario Manningham and he did well as a Giant and looks to be struggling as a 49er (which is a run oriented team). And its not like Eli Manning does not put the extra time in to work with all his receivers and mentor them.

          I just think its a lack of talent. Barden has never emerged and just can't seem to fight out the press despite his size. Hixon can never stay healthy, and I really think he lost a step from a couple of years ago. Randle is an immature rookie who was called out from his teammates for being lackadaisical out there. This system may be unfriendly to Bennett because he's just a bonehead and never seems to come through in the redzone. Jernigan...lol where do I start? Look at these guys....Barden, Hixon, and Jernigan has no excuse...its the same damn system, someone needs to step it up because I dont see anything else to back up Nicks and Cruz.
          " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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          • Teams are lucky to have one receiver of Cruz or Nicks' calibre - the Giants have both. There is no lack of talent on that offense.

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            • Originally posted by Tmurda1984 View Post
              I do not agree with this system being WR unfriendly as well. Its 10 weeks into the season, and they had the entire offseason to get this system down. Hixon and Barden been in the same system for years, there is just no excuse for this. People thought that this system was too complicated for Mario Manningham and he did well as a Giant and looks to be struggling as a 49er (which is a run oriented team). And its not like Eli Manning does not put the extra time in to work with all his receivers and mentor them.

              I just think its a lack of talent. Barden has never emerged and just can't seem to fight out the press despite his size. Hixon can never stay healthy, and I really think he lost a step from a couple of years ago. Randle is an immature rookie who was called out from his teammates for being lackadaisical out there. This system may be unfriendly to Bennett because he's just a bonehead and never seems to come through in the redzone. Jernigan...lol where do I start? Look at these guys....Barden, Hixon, and Jernigan has no excuse...its the same damn system, someone needs to step it up because I dont see anything else to back up Nicks and Cruz.
              Manningham is a poor example, he really wasn't a great WR with the Giants either. He had a few good games in the playoffs (admittedly when it counted most) but most of the season he wasn't a major factor.

              My point was that receivers have a hard time learning the system, as do RBs for that matter. This leads to players not playing a lot in the first and sometimes second year. Once the coaches do have confidence your susceptible to problems if the receiver and QB aren't reading the same things during the play. Don't believe that? Watch the game again, how many times do you see Eli make what looks like a bonehead throw with no receiver even close? Those are when Eli thought the receiver was going to do one thing, and the receiver did something else. The danger here is turnovers. It's a high risk high reward type system. Which is why you see one of the best offenses earlier in the year and arguably the worst in the past 3-4 games... and they are using the same personnel.

              Hixon, Randall, Barden and Bennet have all had great games earlier in the season... so much so that they were being praised by even the most critical Giants fans. It's not all on Eli, and it isn't all on the receivers. Some of this is on the coaches who haven't made adjustments to address what defenses are doing, or to take advantage of the talent they have available to them. Your offense doesn't go from best to worst this quickly simply because of one thing... it's a lot of things.
              My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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              • Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                Eli takes SO MUCH ridicule from NFL fans and as sickening as it sounds Giants fans. Eli is absolutely a ****ing ELITE QB in the this league. If you doubt it you're a moron, point blank period. A few poor games because of this miserable offense and now even Giants fans are doubting him? Talk about wishy-washy fans.... it was only a couple of weeks ago everyone was praising his name.


                Kevin Gilbride(while he's a good OC for the most part) calls some of the most predictable, asinine play calling I have ever seen. He runs it on 1st down, 2nd down and then we're forced to throw it on 3rd down.... Geeee well isn't that just tailed made for success? It's no wonder we have one of the WORST red zone offenses in the NFL. (We are the 27th red zone scoring offense)

                Add on that Tom Coughlin holds his loyalty to a washed up once upon a time great O-linemen who now couldn't block a statue if it fell on him. We also have one of the most anemic run games in the league because we hold our loyalty to a guy with 17 foot procedures on each foot and thus has speed comparable to that everyone claimed Jacobs had...or didn't have.



                We have a top 5 receiver that cannot stay or get healthy for the life of him and thus has SERIOUSLY hindered this offense. We have a QB who isn't predominant on targeting his brand name receivers.

                We have a STUD top 10 receiver that can't a catch a pass even if it's a bread basket one over the shoulder for a TD. As great as Cruz is and he is GREAT he struggles sometimes with concentration and or focus.



                If Eli had an offense like GB, or NE, N.O. or the "Peyton offense" (where he can do what he wants when he wants) Eli would have 20 TD's already or damn close to it and less TD's I guaran-damn-tee you that.


                When was the last time you saw us run the no huddle to get a rhythm going? Hell when was the last time you saw us run the no huddle when we were down this season? About as rare as a two dollar bill.




                Few games where he plays poorly(Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees are all exempt from their bad games I guess?) and he's not longer elite. Lol, OK. . .


                Our offense is not made for a QB to have sexy stats. We run, run, run even when the run is getting 0-3 yards all game. We have an EXTREMELY predictable offense. Our offense is predicated on the receivers beating their man. It's not easy to throw on 3rd down all the time when the offense knows you're going to throw. We very RARELY throw it in the red zone.(We have one of the worst red zone offenses in the league because we run it on 1st and 2nd down and then we're forced to throw on 3rd) There's no play action because there's zero threat of a run. The pass protection has been atrocious at times and most recently during this "poor" stretch. Victor Cruz has gone m.i.a. unless he's dropping a breadbasket TD catch. Nicks isn't healthy and hasn't been all season, thus he's been invisible. Martellus Bennett Has a Torn Knee Capsule Bruised ACL & PCL(suffered in week 5 vs Browns).

                Eli has made some poor decisions the past few weeks and it's mainly because of atrocious O-line play and a struggling receiving corps to boot. The O-line ever since Diehl has returned has been abysmal...Snee, Baas all of them pretty much. Diehl allowed 3 sacks alone Sunday.

                Eli trying to make a play makes a bad decision and pays for it.
                Eli has been horrible the last 3 to 4 weeks...Blaine Gabbert has been a better QB than Eli.....it isn't the type of offense or anything else other than Eli himself....Phil Simms is right, Eli isn't an elite QB, but he is a good one, nothing less and nothing more.

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                • Eli Manning is an elite QB, its hard for a QB to stay consistent when his top receiver is always hobbled and his GM loses his trusted weapons each offseason. It has to be frustrating for Eli that Barden and Hixon are not performing like they should, and equally frustration that this running game has been terrible the last 2 years. And the sad thing is...we did nothing to help our running game even tho we was dead last in the NFL. Reese did not draft a tackle and he sat back drafting a running back who was not ready for the NFL yet.

                  Phil Simms can run his mouth all he wants but he had sooo much talent around him and was carried by a great defense as well. The Giants didnt need Simms that bad, and won a Superbowl with a backup. This team would be winless without Eli Manning.
                  " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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                  • Originally posted by Tmurda1984 View Post
                    Eli Manning is an elite QB, its hard for a QB to stay consistent when his top receiver is always hobbled and his GM loses his trusted weapons each offseason. It has to be frustrating for Eli that Barden and Hixon are not performing like they should, and equally frustration that this running game has been terrible the last 2 years. And the sad thing is...we did nothing to help our running game even tho we was dead last in the NFL. Reese did not draft a tackle and he sat back drafting a running back who was not ready for the NFL yet.

                    Phil Simms can run his mouth all he wants but he had sooo much talent around him and was carried by a great defense as well. The Giants didnt need Simms that bad, and won a Superbowl with a backup. This team would be winless without Eli Manning.
                    Hey, you can't bring Sims down cause he was good and didn't have that much talent around him for a long time. Defense is good and all but you always have to look at performance. I looked at Eli's performance in those two Superbowls and he was a big part while Trent Dilfer was just there for the ride for the Raven's.

                    The backup qb was a weapon himself able to run for yards and that was one big reason why he helped the Giants win the Superbowl wich they barely did.

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                    • we have this "complex system" on both defense and offense yet they're both terrible.

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                      • Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
                        meh, only a few games. He was on fire earlier in the year. Let the WR's get healthy (or Eli get healthy. some say he tweaked his arm) and get their assignments and routes right. Catching balls might help if you are wondering why Eli hasn't had a TD in a month. Get the O-line cohesive again. Brown comes in to hopefully spark the running game. Every top QB has gone through a weird slump this year. Seems it's Eli's turn now. Of course that crap doesn't fly in this city.

                        Rusty, I think all your points are dead center. Talking to your point about the city,NY needs to enjoy the 2 SB's in 4 yrs. I think we are getting a little to accustomed to winning (NY can thank Eli, CG, TC and the supporting cast for that) and need to realize that what these core players have done IS NOT EASY!! It is hard to win one game in the NFL so my hats are off to this team.

                        The G-men will get in together at some point, but I wouldn't be all that upset if they didn't go to NO in February.

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